X3 Albion prelude, are the terran's really the bad guys?

[shadowdef]

So i used to think that the terrans were the tha bad guys because... well they are at war with just about every body, much like the Xenon. But I recently read that the Argon pearl harbored the terrans?

Is this true? If it is then i might restart on the terran side just to help the terrans with their fight. I mean as it stands the argon already steal the terran tech and use it against them. Seems kinda low, make's the argon look little better then common pirates.

But i always thought it was for the greater good, you know stop the crazy xenophobic terrans. But i mean if the argon really did pearl harbor the terrans then you cant really blame them for wanting to give the argon's their fair share.

I know some of you are going to bring up some of the stuff the terrans have done. Like kid napping some boron. But do you really think that if it came down to it that the boron would not have let the argon use the hub in the war with the terrans?

[Kirlack]

Did the Terrans not try to demand that the Argon Federation recognise the sovereignty of Earth? Did they not attempt to control every aspect of the commonwealth? After almost 8 centuries of independent growth, do the Argon not have the right to halt the egotistical plans of the Terran people?

I think over time the Terrans would have waged war on the Commonwealth regardless, in a bid to take/retain control. Given those circumstances, coupled with the overwhelming technological advances of Earth over any single commonwealth race, the Argon did what they felt was necessary to retain their freedom. Would we have done any differently? If an alien race showed up on our doorstep tomorrow, demanding we sign over our rights to them and their decree, would we give it? Or would we fight back?

My money is on the latter. So no, I don't think the Terrans were wronged. They were trying to take something that wasn't theirs, the freedom of the Argon people.

(Note, I don't have AP, but I think the attack on the Taurus was if not fully justified, at least the closest thing to fighting for freedom.)

[Aidyer]

Didn't it have in the introduction to AP that the woman bombing the Torum was (something) Kho? If so, Elena Kho (Not the Kamikaze bomber) was the head of Terracorp in X2 IIRC. That may have something to do with mis-understanding that the Terrans think the Argons have started war, or that it was just one crazed lunatic that destroyed the huge, computer laggy Earth Torus.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Kirlack's post, and that puts a much better point across, the Terrans were out of their depth

[Kirlack]

The woman who blew up the Taurus was Saya Kho, Elena Kho's daughter. According to the X Encyclopedia she went into Terran space four years prior to the bombing as an undercover agent. As far as I know it's not yet been divulged why she blew up the Taurus, unless it's connected to...

[ConCorDian]

Argon are in the right... Terrans are arrogent B............. and deserve everything they get...

but being honest from the encyclopedia Earth kinda brought it on itself.. apparently the Argon more or less immediatly offered Earth membership in the Federation, and in turn the community of planets. but Earth turned it down and had a loose alliance with the Argon...

but in the background earth set up a secret service network to try to control the Argon Federation covertly but got caught.... when they got caught Earth thought they would throw their weight about and fly the flag to try to scare the Argon into following Earth... they moved a fleet to the boarders of Terran-Argon space and well, i think our own history gives you a clue to what happens next...

[Jumee]

meh, the whole war thing is not really thought through IMHO, Argon did in one of the TC plots steal ATF ships and directly attack them (remember those 3 Tyrs? destroying 3 battle-ships is pretty much the same as declaring war, and that not counting the fact that also 3 fighters were stolen from ATF and you know how protective is Earth about its technology) also Terran had direct confrontation with Split (a group of those were working with xenon - this is the first plot in TC) and then a small fight with Paranid (during Aldrin Expansion plot)

According to X-cyclopedia after those events Earth sent its spies to CW which were caught and that led to even further worsening of their relations, the last drop was when ATF decided to send their fleet to CW borders as an extra defense measure, Argon Federation didn't like that and decided to cooperate with the Yaki, in particular Beryl and Winters (who is considered to be a terrorist by Terran and is one of the people who are responsible for terraformers going crazy and becoming xenon) they then created hordes of drones which attacked inner solar systems and also Saya Kho decided to blow up Torus

[ConCorDian]

[shadowdef]

[ConCorDian]

[p00fer]

The Terrans engaged in cold war with the Argon. they refused to share technology but expected to be shared with. they declined to be part of the federation but sought to exert control over the CW... They occupied Argon-Terran space with their fleets as a way to intimidate and provoke. Their imperialist agenda got them kicked in the ba...Torus.

It was just a matter of time, The argon were just smarter (or less arrogant).

[Kirlack]

[Jumee]

[Natjur]

In most wars, both sides are at fault. No one appears 'clean' in this one, most races helped one side or the other play dirty.

Only the Xenon's appear clean in this one as they are not involved, so I voted Xenon.

Sure the Xenon's are evil in all there other attacks, but not in this war.

[Naroku]

Terran's were attacked... Simple the argons deserve there women children and whatever else to be burned to ash. Ironicly argon looks like they could not handle a one vs one set up against the terrens so eventually got Boron involved as well. Personally Wouldn't mind in rebirth a part of the story showing the Terran's having alot more in the way of sectors and resources. A new inproved Torris would be good too. Burn the heretic's.

[shadowdef]