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delray
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It looks like a power plant...
Are all those collectors just a bunch of ships that fly inside your complex moving stuff? Or rather they will be venturing into the nearby areas and gathering resource there to bring it back home?
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As I said in another thread - I can't tell what size the collector is.
Can anybody scale this in their mind? I want to say TL sized.
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| Posted: Mon, 2. Apr 12, 16:26 Post subject: |
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[OT] In the first screenshot you linked, it clearly states "Solar Power Plant XL" in the upper left corner. So directly not much to do with plasma [/OT]
It's interesting to see Egosoft adding more resources to the economy, I wonder what other new wares we'll be seeing.
Anyway my guess is that plasma will be used in high-tech applications such as weapons (as stated by the OP), maybe more weapons that require ammo?
Like plasma cells for plasma guns, or plasma warheads for rockets. hmmm...modular rockets and missiles perhaps? 
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OK I guess I should read instead of just referencing a past screenshot. Totally missed the "Solar Power Plant" part.
I think we found the use for plasma...
But weapons would be nice too!
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Plasma is simply a state of matter, like a substance being able to be a solid, liquid, or gas. Plasma is just an additional state that is similar to gas, but has unioque properties such as electrical conductivity and the ability to form filaments. However, it requires energy for the plamsa to be maintained in plasma form. A lighting strike, for example, is a strand of plasma, for the brief period that the electricity is flowing, but when it is no longer being heated by the electricity of the lightening, it reverts to gas.
So a Plasma collector may collect plasma, but I doubt whatever they would be be collecting would remain plasma for long, and simply revert into gas. It's like a steam collector. What you collect is steam, but without added heat, it will eventually just turn into water inside the collector.
It would be a lot easier and more practical simply to collect the gas you want from a lees superheated source, and convert it at a later point by adding an electrical charge, rather than trying to collectthe superheated plasma directly.
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Unless it's the energy being harvested. Presumably when the plasma cools
it has to go somewhere.
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| Posted: Mon, 2. Apr 12, 18:49 Post subject: |
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perhaps we have plasma drive engines, also plasma could be used in the core of the ships for energy production, therefore perhaps we will get something like plasma cells (ECells) to power our ships.
| Stars_InTheirEyes wrote: |
As I said in another thread - I can't tell what size the collector is.
Can anybody scale this in their mind? I want to say TL sized. |
if you look along the bottom of the cylindrical/spherical section of the ship to the more flat parts, it looks like there are small white squares that could possibly be windows... if they are you could be right with the TL sized estimate. but that said thats just conjecture... only one way for us to know for sure...
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ConCorDian
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| Posted: Mon, 2. Apr 12, 18:59 Post subject: |
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| Falcrack wrote: |
Plasma is simply a state of matter, like a substance being able to be a solid, liquid, or gas. Plasma is just an additional state that is similar to gas, but has unioque properties such as electrical conductivity and the ability to form filaments. However, it requires energy for the plamsa to be maintained in plasma form. A lighting strike, for example, is a strand of plasma, for the brief period that the electricity is flowing, but when it is no longer being heated by the electricity of the lightening, it reverts to gas.
So a Plasma collector may collect plasma, but I doubt whatever they would be be collecting would remain plasma for long, and simply revert into gas. It's like a steam collector. What you collect is steam, but without added heat, it will eventually just turn into water inside the collector.
It would be a lot easier and more practical simply to collect the gas you want from a lees superheated source, and convert it at a later point by adding an electrical charge, rather than trying to collectthe superheated plasma directly. |
this aint all exactly true... the current fusion experiments we have been doing now show that plasma can (if contained correctly) keep itself in a plasma form. look at our sun just as a simple example, the sun doesn't keep getting electrical currents added to it periodically to keep it a burning plasma ball... it has the right confinement criteria as it is, what will gradually happen is that fusion and fission thats happening in our sun will become unbalance and fusion will happen more often that fission and it will in essence either run out of fuseable nuclei or will accelerate to an extent it will release a massive amount of energy in a very short period of time (nova)
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| Posted: Mon, 2. Apr 12, 19:41 Post subject: |
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| ConCorDian wrote: |
| Falcrack wrote: |
Plasma is simply a state of matter, like a substance being able to be a solid, liquid, or gas. Plasma is just an additional state that is similar to gas, but has unioque properties such as electrical conductivity and the ability to form filaments. However, it requires energy for the plamsa to be maintained in plasma form. A lighting strike, for example, is a strand of plasma, for the brief period that the electricity is flowing, but when it is no longer being heated by the electricity of the lightening, it reverts to gas.
So a Plasma collector may collect plasma, but I doubt whatever they would be be collecting would remain plasma for long, and simply revert into gas. It's like a steam collector. What you collect is steam, but without added heat, it will eventually just turn into water inside the collector.
It would be a lot easier and more practical simply to collect the gas you want from a lees superheated source, and convert it at a later point by adding an electrical charge, rather than trying to collectthe superheated plasma directly. |
this aint all exactly true... the current fusion experiments we have been doing now show that plasma can (if contained correctly) keep itself in a plasma form. look at our sun just as a simple example, the sun doesn't keep getting electrical currents added to it periodically to keep it a burning plasma ball... it has the right confinement criteria as it is, what will gradually happen is that fusion and fission thats happening in our sun will become unbalance and fusion will happen more often that fission and it will in essence either run out of fuseable nuclei or will accelerate to an extent it will release a massive amount of energy in a very short period of time (nova) |
I don't think you understand his post.
Plasma is a state of matter above gas.
From coldest to hottest;
Solid
Liquid
Gas
Plasma
The sun is very, very hot, which is why the sun's plasma is "stable".
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| Posted: Mon, 2. Apr 12, 20:05 Post subject: |
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You put the P in the HEPT and use it to frag xenon.
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ConCorDian
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| Posted: Tue, 3. Apr 12, 12:02 Post subject: |
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| Spero wrote: |
I don't think you understand his post.
Plasma is a state of matter above gas.
From coldest to hottest;
Solid
Liquid
Gas
Plasma
The sun is very, very hot, which is why the sun's plasma is "stable". |
the plasma itself is excessivly hot, hence why the sun is hot... and my whole point was that when the plasma is formed, if it is contained properly to stop that heat loss from happening too quickly, the plasma will keep itself in a plasma state.
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