Part three of Steam debate - split and archived.

[David Howland]

Dear angrytigerp, you sound like my son, making life more difficult than it need be. There may have been the odd issue with the games, easily sorted but that was before we had multiple layers of Malware multiplying the number and complexity of problems!

[rusky]

[Alan Phipps]

I hope that nobody will lower themselves to personal attacks as that would result in the thread being split or locked.

If a specific discussion/argument is going in circles and all that could be said by any side involved has been said, then the best response to further repetition is not to respond or maybe to change the subject. There are no winners or losers in such prolonged and ill-natured discussions, nor many I suspect that will change sides as a result. Hopefully we can continue to better inform the readers of this thread by sticking to reasoned debate using new and rational points.

[David Howland]

This subject discussion could end today and this thread could deal, more usefully with sorting the problems X players are having with Steam, God knows there are enough of them to sort out!
It just takes a statement from ES that there will be a Steam free disk alternative for RB! After all the cheering and congratulations anti-steamers will melt away, SIMPLE! If only Steam were not afraid of a LITTLE competition?
In short, while these forums are allowed free debate, this discussion will last as long as, ES, DS and Steam want it to!

[Alan Phipps]

David, you appear to have missed the distinction I am making between 'a specific discussion/argument' and the overall thread topic.

[David Howland]

Sorry about any misunderstanding Alan!
I am afraid half of what you intellectuals say goes right over my little head!

[BigBANGtheory]

Do we know yet if they plan to release a boxed version that registers with Steam on install?

I for one would rather not have to download +5GB of data over the Internet and read a PDF manual.

[Alan Phipps]

@ BigBANGtheory: In the German 'Ask Bernd One Question' Rebirth thread, Bernd of Egosoft replied as follows:

[NUKLEAR-SLUG]

[DJC]

[David Howland]

Hi NUCLEAR-SLUG,
Intellectual failure or willful, now there is a question? Is it to be, or not to be that indeed is the question?
Okay after Alans strictures about wandering off- topic, I really did not want to take this path any further but seeing as its you and you insist! It was meant to be a fictional representation of a factual situation, done in the aprox. style of the Hovis adverts! As such, I am not going to factually defend any particular word I may or may not have said to my son, that is private. Really fact based fiction is supposed to be assessed and judged by the reader but in this case I will tell you that there is more factual basis in my humble little ditty than in any work of Dickens. Having said that, I do not suppose that even you would want to drag Dickens to the courts over his misrepresentations of Victorian Britain.
Before you say that fictional representations of factual situations have no business here, we have been discussing the situations and relationships of ES, DS and Steam, the full intricacies of these relationships most posters on this site, do not know. All these companies have been involved in advertising, adverts are a fictional representation of facts. All this of course is set within discussion of the X games. Okay NUCLEAR-SLUG, the X universe is fiction, believe it or not!

[rusky]

[Alan Phipps]

Debate the topics impersonally without debating the posters.

Every computer game comes with a minimum system spec needed just to run the game and often an even higher system spec recommended to run the game more enjoyably. I imagine that the minimum and recommended standards of Player internet connectivity to access the game are aspects that present and future game publishers that use digital game distribution, protection and support/upkeep will have to consider (alongside any continued support by alternative distribution such as retail DVDs etc).

Can we move on now please?

[Nanook]

And with that, I think it's time once again to split this topic before it becomes too large to remove offending posts. Please feel free to continue a lively, but non-personal, debate in the continuation of this topic.