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imperium3
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 Posted: Wed, 7. Mar 12, 14:56 Post subject: What. |
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A man of a certain age tried to download music, instead found porn on his laptop. He reported it to the police... and is now essentially labelled as a paedophile, had his laptop stolen by police, and banned from seeing his daughter alone.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-17274848
Frankly, I'm speechless.
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| Posted: Wed, 7. Mar 12, 15:16 Post subject: |
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| No arrests or charges have been made |
Given that that's the case then I can see no justification for the councils actions.
Even if he had been arrested and charged whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty.
Although he doesn't in anyway deserve what happened he was a little silly.
If I'd been in the same position I'd have throughly deleted the images using a data shredding program and THEN have tipped off the police. . . . anonymously if possible.
I wouldn't trust the police further than I could kick them, they have a something of a habit of persecuting those who come forward in a spirit of openess to try and help them. . . basically I think they have a mentality of "Well, we can't catch the real bad guys most of the time and you're all we've got to justify our salaries and make us look a little less incompetent"
From personal experience and any number of anecdotes.
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| Posted: Wed, 7. Mar 12, 15:21 Post subject: Re: What. |
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| imperium3 wrote: |
| A man of a certain age tried to download music, instead found porn on his laptop. |
S*** they found me 
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felter
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| Posted: Wed, 7. Mar 12, 15:39 Post subject: |
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So just how did the porn get onto his computer, that is the big question, as we all know things don't just download all by themselves. Just imagine if he is behind it and they didn't take these steps, what would happen then. So maybe the council's social care team are right in being cautious till the truth comes out. I would say we are not getting to hear the full story behind this though.
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| Posted: Wed, 7. Mar 12, 15:55 Post subject: |
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I wonder if anyone saw the social workers three parter on iPlayer not long back. They came across as psychotic unthinking box tickers. The lesson for me was never, under any circumstances involve the administration or social workers in anything willingly. They seem to be modern day Hal's.
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| Posted: Wed, 7. Mar 12, 19:29 Post subject: |
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A year to return the laptop? What they gonna do? Make it grow a mouth and get it to talk?
Seriously, I can't imagine it taking more than a day to find traces of where/when the pornographic material arrived on the laptop.
There's "being tough on crime" and then there's overreacting.
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Morkonan
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| Posted: Wed, 7. Mar 12, 19:56 Post subject: |
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| felter wrote: |
| So just how did the porn get onto his computer, that is the big question, as we all know things don't just download all by themselves. .. |
He could have downloaded the wrong file, fed off the wrong torrent, opened a portion of his drive up for sharing and had it abused or any number of things.
That he reported it, immediately from what I can see, is a pretty strong indicator he's likely to be innocent, especially since he, himself, was the one that first discovered it.
What the case seems like is a matter of certain rules of general practice becoming involved in an ongoing investigation and he just happened to get caught in the middle of it. Even if he is innocent, it's going to be hard for anyone to prove without a doubt how those files got there in the first place.
That's why it's probably a good idea not to download something you don't know the provenance of... as well as CYA yourself, before thinking about being a "Good Citizen" these days, especially where this garbage is concerned.
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cj-spartacus
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| Posted: Wed, 7. Mar 12, 20:06 Post subject: |
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Burn the witch!
You know I saw a little girl alone and crying in George Square sometime around Christmas and like everyone else I just walked past and tried not to take notice. If I was a decent citizen I would have called the police and waited with her till they arrived but I had the same fear as every other adult that I would end up landing myself in trouble.
I hope she is OK.
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| Posted: Wed, 7. Mar 12, 20:43 Post subject: |
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I guess I dont know the laws (in US and in UK).
Such 'custody' thing, I'd think can only be set by courts, not by social services. How can they possibly enforce it or have the right to.
In other words, so what if he violates that?
Make them prove you are guilty.
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felter
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| Posted: Wed, 7. Mar 12, 20:45 Post subject: |
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| Morkonan wrote: |
That he reported it, immediately from what I can see, is a pretty strong indicator he's likely to be innocent, especially since he, himself, was the one that first discovered it.
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How do you know he reported it immediately, we don't even know for sure if it was him that discovered it, it could of quite easily have been the wife and he is just saying he noticed it and reported it. We don't know anything apart from what the press are saying and we all know that they are trustworthy.
| cj-spartacus wrote: |
Burn the witch!
You know I saw a little girl alone and crying in George Square sometime around Christmas and like everyone else I just walked past and tried not to take notice. If I was a decent citizen I would have called the police and waited with her till they arrived but I had the same fear as every other adult that I would end up landing myself in trouble.
I hope she is OK. |
I had something similar happen to me, but it was in Asda when I was shopping one day, like you most people ignored the kid (can't remember if it was a girl or boy). I grabbed the nearest female member of staff and pointed the kid out. I actually said to her that I didn't want to have anything to do with the kid for your reasoning, but I couldn't ignore them either. Of course it was a kid who had lost their parent and I'm happy I can say they were reunited soon after.
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imperium3
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| Posted: Wed, 7. Mar 12, 20:52 Post subject: |
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How do you know he reported it immediately, we don't even know for sure if it was him that discovered it, it could of quite easily have been the wife and he is just saying he noticed it and reported it. We don't know anything apart from what the press are saying and we all know that they are trustworthy. |
Well, yes, but if the police had any doubts then they should charge him with an offence and investigate it properly. You can't just go around punishing people out of suspicion alone, that's not how justice is supposed to work.
The laptop thing is especially ridiculous, I suppose it's a procedure thing because anything other than the physical laptop probably wouldn't stand up in court if they were trying to track someone down, but really, it seems these days law enforcement are all too keen to seize someone's assets as soon as they have the faintest excuse. I remember someone posting on here a while ago that they had similar troubles (was it Cycrow?) and it happens a lot. Like the Megaupload bloke - maybe they should have frozen some assets like the servers if they thought he was going to make off with them, but literally taking away all his possessions just because of an indictment, that was obscene.
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| Posted: Thu, 8. Mar 12, 01:11 Post subject: |
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| Like the Megaupload bloke - maybe they should have frozen some assets like the servers if they thought he was going to make off with them, but literally taking away all his possessions just because of an indictment, that was obscene. |
It's not really a valid comparison is it. The "Megaupload bloke" ran a business enabling the sharing (theft) of intellectual copyright material on an industrial, global, scale. He'd made a lot of money out of it, and he had assets (not just the hosting servers) in lots of places.
The "Megaupload bloke" never went "wtf is this I better report it to the authorities" and was, as a result, banned from contact with his family.
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| Posted: Thu, 8. Mar 12, 01:42 Post subject: |
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Also, I'm pretty sure proper investigation preceded the arrests and seizures in the Megaupload case.
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Morkonan
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| Posted: Thu, 8. Mar 12, 02:59 Post subject: |
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| Morkonan wrote: |
That he reported it, immediately from what I can see, is a pretty strong indicator he's likely to be innocent, especially since he, himself, was the one that first discovered it.
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How do you know he reported it immediately, we don't even know for sure if it was him that discovered it, it could of quite easily have been the wife and he is just saying he noticed it and reported it. We don't know anything apart from what the press are saying and we all know that they are trustworthy.... |
I agree completely and that is why I phrased it the way I did. "..from what I can see..." But, atm, we can't assume facts not in evidence and all we can go on is what the story say's.
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| Posted: Thu, 8. Mar 12, 03:03 Post subject: |
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| imperium3 wrote: |
| Like the Megaupload bloke - maybe they should have frozen some assets like the servers if they thought he was going to make off with them, but literally taking away all his possessions just because of an indictment, that was obscene. |
It's not really a valid comparison is it. The "Megaupload bloke" ran a business enabling the sharing (theft) of intellectual copyright material on an industrial, global, scale. He'd made a lot of money out of it, and he had assets (not just the hosting servers) in lots of places.
The "Megaupload bloke" never went "wtf is this I better report it to the authorities" and was, as a result, banned from contact with his family. |
>.> He ran a business enabling the sharing of any material and his company complied with legal DMCA requests when copyright material was traded. He also hasn't been banned from contact with his family, he is in fact on bail at his house with them.
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