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Gavrushka

 
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 1678 on topic

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Posted: Wed, 14. Dec 11, 11:25 Post subject: |
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‘Styanar’, the word sat comfortably on Ed’s tongue.
He remembered her remarkable eyes so clearly, the gentle laughter too; it seemed inconceivable he had just imagined her.
And equally inconceivable that he hadn’t.
His mind was numb to the enormity of last night’s events and revisiting them simply caused him confusion. The last few weeks had been hard to deal with, perhaps impossible, and he’d found solace in an imaginary world created by a mind unhinged by stress.
Three months ago, his wife had told him to leave. There had been no warning, or perhaps he had just been too busy to see one. He had arrived home from work, late one Friday night, and she’d been stood there on the doorstep, her mother at her side.
Lisa had calmly explained how she’d moved all his possessions to their holiday home, a few miles out of town and that he should see a solicitor as she was divorcing him on the grounds of ‘irreconcilable differences.’ He’d remembered apologising to her, for whatever he had done, getting back in his truck and driving off. He had seen her twice since, at work, to sign documents she’d thrust in front of him.
He’d always thought Lisa had been out of his league. She was pretty, educated and, well, he was just an electrician made good who’d inherited a thriving business from his parents. Oh, he knew he was a reasonable catch; he was good looking, with a great sense of humour, and very mild mannered but he had to admit his best feature was his wealth, courtesy of Sykes Electrical Services.
And now he was in danger of losing that too.
He sat with his back to a tree absently rolling an acorn between thumb and forefinger, his eyes focussed on the log cabin that had been his home for the last few months. He really was in an unsalvageable position; Sykes Electrical Services would close by the end of the year. [End of Section]
The toil of three generations had seen the business grow from his Grandfather’s garage with his office in his basement, into a small shop, and then fifteen years ago expanding into a respectable sized warehouse now employing thirty people.
© Copyright 2011 G.J.Rutherford All rights reserved.
_________________ Pedantics is not a valid defence; it's far better to concede the argument with your dignity still intact.
| Gavrushka wrote: |
| Only a narcissist quotes themself! |
DOH! |
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greypanther
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1060 on topic

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Posted: Wed, 14. Dec 11, 22:16 Post subject: |
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Can I ask you please Morkonen, what qualifies you to critique others writing? Are you a published author? Editor? what other than a doctor?
<niggle,niggle,niggle>
Or are you just an inteligent, avid reader? 
_________________ The Cycle of Nations: “From bondage to spiritual faith. From spiritual faith to great courage. From courage to liberty. From liberty to abundance. From abundance to selfishness. From selfishness to complacency. From complacency to apathy. From apathy to dependency. From dependency back again into bondage.”
~ Henning Webb Prentis, Jr. |
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Morkonan

Joined: 25 Sep 2011 Posts: 1383 on topic

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Posted: Thu, 15. Dec 11, 06:42 Post subject: |
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| greypanther wrote: |
Can I ask you please Morkonen, what qualifies you to critique others writing? Are you a published author? Editor? what other than a doctor?
<niggle,niggle,niggle>
Or are you just an inteligent, avid reader?  |
I am not a published author of fiction. (I could say I was and it wouldn't make much difference, would it? )Though, I think my name is on a couple of published papers, but they were done for grant money and I wasn't a lead.. and didn't get any grant money. Still, that's a different format and I have misplaced my APA manual...
But, I never offer criticism without explanation. If that explanation is not enough to convince the writer that they should consider the point, then either my criticism could be unfounded or it simply doesn't fit the writer's style. Or, the writer could be "wrong." That happens, too.
I am a writer and have been studying writing for quite awhile. I'm currently involved in two writing projects. I hope to begin submitting them for publication some time next year. But, "real life" has taken its toll and stolen much of my time, these past few months. I have a feeling it's going to interject itself next year and I have no way to really avoid it.
Am I "qualified?" Well, that depends on what you consider "Qualified." I know several published "authors" who's advice I wouldn't take for writing instructions on the side of a bubble-gum wrapper. If you look at the shelves these days, there are a great many writers who have managed to get published that clearly don't deserve such an honor if it was based on their skill alone. So, are we to take that an "author" (A distinctive title I bestow on writers when they've been published.) is only qualified to critique a work? An author is qualified to advise someone how to become published, that much I will grant.
In short, if someone can give specific criticism and offer explanations and even examples that substantiates their criticism, I think that's all it takes. Books are written for everyone, not just other authors. The critic doesn't have to always be right. But, they do have to prove their points and, most importantly, offer helpful and constructive criticism. Too often, reading freely offered criticism is worth exactly what you paid for it.
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Gavrushka

 
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 1678 on topic

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Posted: Thu, 15. Dec 11, 07:28 Post subject: |
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What I can add, greypanther, is that I feel I've learnt a lot. (I just had to check whether it was learnt/learned LOL)
I was naive to think that telling a story was enough at first. Then, after a few comments from people, I posted here and those comments were confirmed.
Now, I'm a better writer than I was a few days ago.
The one thing with using a reader group, which I do, is they will concentrate on the story and pick up on much of ther grammar. However there is an extra technical level, beyond that, which is equally important...- A reader group AUTO trust that a writer knows what he is doing, and won't drop out early on in the story - BUT strangers will... - And now I understand why...
I sent Styanar to my nephew, and asked him to 'bit the bullet' and keep reading, which he did - BUT he had been so nonplussed by Ed, he'd not have done that otherwise... - Now he will...
The other technical issue I relied on was telling a reader what was happening 'telling them' someone was happy or sad rather than communicating it with words. - On the fly example:
"I think you should leave," Jeff said angrily. (TELL)
Jeff moved towards the chair, his knuckles whitening as they grasped the back. Slowly he lifted his head towards Steve eyes finding his friend.
He never spoke.
Steve flinched and took a step backwards. "I'll go," he said. (SHOW)
Oh, you know what I meant! - Yes, I know it could be ambiguous as to who never spoke, but the context should answer that...
_________________ Pedantics is not a valid defence; it's far better to concede the argument with your dignity still intact.
| Gavrushka wrote: |
| Only a narcissist quotes themself! |
DOH! |
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greypanther
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1060 on topic

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Posted: Thu, 15. Dec 11, 21:15 Post subject: |
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I apologise if I caused you any offence Morkonan, if any taken, it was certainly unintentional. I think my reading your posts is coloured by that little niggle I have; I really must pin it down.
You are certainly not the person I thought you may have been; they would have responded very differently to my trollish prodding! Again I apologise.
You are correct Gavrushka, further as it is your work that is getting the critique, your opinion is the only one that matters. I guess that I am used to some very negative comments on other sites when it comes to others creative works. I assumed the worst and butted in where my comments were un-needed.
I apologise to you too and promise to read an entire thread, attempt to understand the context, before I comment again.
Something else has occured to me about myself and who I am. This forum just never ceases to be useful.
Anyway, good luck with your work, I hope you get the story to where you need it to go. 
_________________ The Cycle of Nations: “From bondage to spiritual faith. From spiritual faith to great courage. From courage to liberty. From liberty to abundance. From abundance to selfishness. From selfishness to complacency. From complacency to apathy. From apathy to dependency. From dependency back again into bondage.”
~ Henning Webb Prentis, Jr. |
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Morkonan

Joined: 25 Sep 2011 Posts: 1383 on topic

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Posted: Fri, 16. Dec 11, 02:16 Post subject: |
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| greypanther wrote: |
I apologise if I caused you any offence Morkonan, if any taken, it was certainly unintentional. I think my reading your posts is coloured by that little niggle I have; I really must pin it down. |
No offense taken at all! I'm sorry if I gave that impression.
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| Something else has occured to me about myself and who I am. This forum just never ceases to be useful. |
Communicating with people never ceases to be useful, whether you do that on a web forum or at the local corner market. Actively larning more about other people tends to increase the chance you'll learn more about yourself.
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Gavrushka

 
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 1678 on topic

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Posted: Fri, 16. Dec 11, 07:43 Post subject: |
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I can confidently say that the journey through the two threads I started on here has had a profound effect on me, and a pronounced effect on the way I write. It started as deeply painful, felt extremely personal and took time to sink in, which I knew it would and for the very reasons I’ve already related.
It will take years before I can gain the experience required to fully comprehend and implement that which I have learned here. Learning, after all, must start with an acceptance of ignorance which was, erm, something I was ignorant of for far too long...
I look forward to those years, and the rewards they may bring.
_________________ Pedantics is not a valid defence; it's far better to concede the argument with your dignity still intact.
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| Only a narcissist quotes themself! |
DOH! |
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blazermick
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 73 on topic

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Posted: Fri, 16. Dec 11, 09:24 Post subject: |
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There are quite a few stories here that aren't anywhere near as polished as what you guys are trying to achieve.
However they are still excellent reads.
There is a story here by paranoid that is very long, highly detailed and its so hard to stay reading that myself and a few others simply stopped, but he is an excellent story teller, just too much detail in my opinion.
But its only MY OPINION.. i would suggest actually writing the story then worrying about the first chapter as the amount of effort spent over 1 chapter will mean a story unfinished once again.
Hey.,.. i could be wrong and this could be a masterpiece. But there are plenty of examples here on the forums.
Both Stynar and the other story are excellent, along with doghouse's first chapter. Im not an editor, but i am a reader and purchaser of books, and i personally believe that the editors role is to polish, the writer is to create.
So, guys, please simply create because i would love to get past the first chapter. I am already hooked enough to be checking these stories multiple times daily.
It is my opinion only. I am not a writer, editor or anything other than a reader. And opinions are like a/holes. Every one has one (Hope its ok to say that mr. administrator)
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doghouse
Joined: 12 Dec 2011
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Posted: Fri, 16. Dec 11, 11:00 Post subject: |
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You raise some great valid points blaze.
As a reader, your opinion does matter. Readers are the market. I consider myself a reader first, a writer second.
Saying readers matter is true, for various reasons; but also, any opinions given shouldn't offend the author.
We all have different preferences what makes a good read.
Even on a forum, formatting matters. Style, too. I'm a reader that likes detail and description, and I'm one that's not a huge fan of endless dialogue.
You're also right, the story should just get written; keep writing! Then worry about polish/editing. As a note, I am building the story and such. I may have spent too much time on the 'opening', but the piece is a feeler for readers - a means for feedback.
I have my eye on a couple of pieces to read on here (inc. Paranoids', and the one in this thread), but sadly, time matters.
Soz Gav. I have not read this one, yet!
And thanks for the comment blaze.
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