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apricotslice
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TTD
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| additionaly, Valve has said that they have a system inplace to remove the need for authorization from all their games if it seems that they are going to go under, which seems unlikely, considering they have one of the highest ratios of Profit to employ. |
ok. Then let them implement it for Egosoft games .
That way Steam might attract more more of our fan base.
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| Posted: Fri, 7. Oct 11, 10:45 Post subject: |
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| Gavrushka wrote: |
| I doubt very much whether 40% of the community will boycott Rebirth, but I do think it will be a significant enough percentage to give Egosoft pause for thought as to whether they can cater for both groups. |
The blunt truth...Digital sales will vastly outstrip boxed sales. Possibly to the point where even if a single boxed copy never sells the game can still be successful in sales thanks to steam.
Right now my big unanswered question for the game is, "Will X Rebirth be adopting the DLC business model?".
With full Steamworks integration it opens up the new game to the DLC business model. Something that has proven to be wildly successful in the industry for other titles so far. For context, the six DLCs for Fallout: New Vegas has brought in ~1/2 billion in revenue. All without a single disk ever being printed for this content. While Egosoft has no hope of those kind of numbers, they would be barking mad not to look into DLCs as a form of steady income between major releases.
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TTD
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| Posted: Fri, 7. Oct 11, 10:53 Post subject: |
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| What the **** is a DLC ? |
Down Loadable Content
Like the Sunny Place DLC in the Summer Sale that gave us an extra sector to play with.
If you did not get it, Aro has done a mod for it.
This is the only reason I re-installed Steam on my rig.
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Frobond
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| Posted: Fri, 7. Oct 11, 10:55 Post subject: |
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so as a genuine question. y are some of you so against steam as a platform. ive never had any problems with its games or connection or servers. i don't know if im just lucky or you are very unlucky but for me it is very convenient to be able to say ohh that game looks cool. i should get that. and 30 sec latter i have it downloading to my pc.
Is it a nostalgia thing where you guys still want that disk and box in hand. I mean after the first install you usually don't even need the disk anymore let alone the box so it just sits there taking up space.
And for those people that are afraid that when Valve goes under you will lose all your games. i have to comment that the odds of valve going under being your top priority at that time are rather low. Cause to me it seams that have a very good thing going for themselves and i don't see them slowing down any time soon.
I guess i could see problems arising when people live in countries where the internet connections are ether very slow or unreliable. but i cant see that as being all the negativity towards steam.
so after that lovely wall of text what really is yalls gripes with steam.
after i posted this i read this comment
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| The blunt truth...Digital sales will vastly outstrip boxed sales. Possibly to the point where even if a single boxed copy never sells the game can still be successful in sales thanks to steam. |
as a really good example of this Minecraft is a digital download only game and it has taken off like a rocket sense it was first launched.
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T.S.Zatoichi
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| Posted: Fri, 7. Oct 11, 10:58 Post subject: |
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Kor'ah, sshhhh! Don't put any ideas in their heads!  I wouldn't really care if they went down that road. Is paying two bucks for a new plot line once or twice a year really that bad?
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A5PECT
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| Posted: Fri, 7. Oct 11, 11:08 Post subject: |
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After getting the Bala Gi missions and Balance of Power for free, I'd be disappointed if Egosoft started charging for DLC.
But I wouldn't be surprised.
I'd probably even buy it.
...To be completely honest I'd be surprised if they didn't start charging in the near future. Egosoft is getting bigger, its games are getting deeper and development is becoming more costly. They can't keep giving away things for free.
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I only using steam for Valve games (TF2, Portal, HL2,...) most of other games i want stand alone even if i have 12/12Mbit connection.
Why? Because on steam you can lost all games a money in one monent. Someone can steal you account and everything is gone or you can be banned no matter why.
If i have disc with game in my hand, i can install it everywhere, everytime and immediately.
All these copy protections are bad, because only annoying paying players. Real pirates have crack next day after game release. Even if i have original game, i use no cd crack, because i have no drive in my computer - i have one for a whole house because we dont want buy new sata drives to every computer in home if everything is going online and inserting disc to drive to only to check if i'm not pirate is waste of time.
Steam should be optional. Do you want achievements? Do you want automatics updates? Do you want no dvd in your drive? GET STEAM!
but absolutely NO: Do you want play? GET STEAM OR GET LOST!
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Bishop149
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| Posted: Fri, 7. Oct 11, 11:37 Post subject: |
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I respectfully disagree. I expect Steam could easily be smart enough to know whether the computer its running on is offline and switch itself accordingly - rather than completely refusing to play the game merely because the user didn't know how or forgot to turn if off. |
This is odd, I've seen a number of arguments in this direction.
"Steam should do x automatically even though there is a manual option!!"
Sorry but that's just just lazy, by all means complain about a feature that is absent from the program but just because its not entirely designed to your taste (what program is!?) and certain options are a little buried is no reason to chuck toys out of the pram.
I once had an issue with wanting to install a game onto a different drive to the steam folder (I've seen that bought up as a negative in this thread to) . . initially I couldn't see a way to do it and was getting annoyed, a google later and it turns out its perfectly possible and I was just being a bit dense.
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EmperorJon
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| Posted: Fri, 7. Oct 11, 12:11 Post subject: |
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I personally have never had any problem with Steam.
Offline mode is fine, and I use it if I wish to be offline.
My games are never 'Not available'. I've had that once, and it turned out my internet was failing but Steam had yet to recognise the connection had dropped out.
I've even seen arguments which go along the lines of "Steam sucks 'cos achievements." Riiiight...
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karoliussen
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| Posted: Fri, 7. Oct 11, 12:17 Post subject: |
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| A lot of those problems are most likely due to your steam client choosing a datacentre which is having issues at that time. Choose another. It's under the tab named cloud something or other, and you choose which country you get data from. |
I'm fully aware of that option, and have done a bit of testing with that earlier, but with minor luck. It's still not very reliable at times.
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Alien Tech Inc.
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| Posted: Fri, 7. Oct 11, 12:19 Post subject: |
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so as a genuine question. y are some of you so against steam as a platform. ive never had any problems with its games or connection or servers. i don't know if im just lucky or you are very unlucky but for me it is very convenient to be able to say ohh that game looks cool. i should get that. and 30 sec latter i have it downloading to my pc.
Is it a nostalgia thing where you guys still want that disk and box in hand. I mean after the first install you usually don't even need the disk anymore let alone the box so it just sits there taking up space.
And for those people that are afraid that when Valve goes under you will lose all your games. i have to comment that the odds of valve going under being your top priority at that time are rather low. Cause to me it seams that have a very good thing going for themselves and i don't see them slowing down any time soon.
I guess i could see problems arising when people live in countries where the internet connections are ether very slow or unreliable. but i cant see that as being all the negativity towards steam.
so after that lovely wall of text what really is yalls gripes with steam.
after i posted this i read this comment
| Kor'ah wrote: |
| The blunt truth...Digital sales will vastly outstrip boxed sales. Possibly to the point where even if a single boxed copy never sells the game can still be successful in sales thanks to steam. |
as a really good example of this Minecraft is a digital download only game and it has taken off like a rocket sense it was first launched. |
I will try to answer your question: Why are so many dead set against Steam
Answer: Freedom & Choice
Those of us who don't like Steam want the freedom to decide what we have on our PC's and the choice of what & when we put on it. Steam removes that choice.
I have lost count now of how many times I have commented on Steam, and I keep saying the same thing (always speaking only for myself), I have no problem with the digital download side (but some do as they have less than perfect internet connections), for me it's the having to be online to play I don't like.
If Rebirth requires me to activate via Steam, I could do that, but I'd rather not.
I have bought the same game from two different sites: Steam and GoodOldGames. The difference? Steam requires me to be online to play it. GoG allows me to download the setup file (which admittedly is big) and I can save that somewhere. I don't need to be online to install or play it.
If Egosoft & Deep Silver did that, allowing us to download a setup file (even if it is HUGE) that we can save it somewhere, and that we can install without needing to be online, I am sure NO-ONE here would object to that.
Does that answer your question?
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| Posted: Fri, 7. Oct 11, 12:27 Post subject: |
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I was going to write a post about minorities and then thought, why waste any more of my time here?
Goodbye all.
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