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X2-Eliah
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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 Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 05:46 Post subject: |
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Not really, just that Alex told us about this thing, I got excited, and together we pulled in two more - Stemardue and Killjaeden 
Also, these things do play a part in determining the balancing of X3-TC, and we'll be watching for any unprecedented results that aren't fair so they can be fixed.
But enough about that 
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Deadbeat_Spinn
  
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 05:50 Post subject: |
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Does that mean you're going to try and drag Trickmov, enenra, Aragon Speed, and every other XTC member in as well?
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X2-Eliah
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 05:57 Post subject: |
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 Not necessarily - this is primarily for our entertainment. We're not making these fleets up just to tick boxes off of a checklist, I, for one, genuinely am excited to see how well everyone's fleet fares against everyone else's.
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Merdocharr
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
Posts: 78 on topic
Location: Queen's retribution
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 09:20 Post subject: |
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Answering the questions a few pages back:
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| Were you able to tell how many ships were successfully engaging at once? |
A few dozen? Those fighters are hard to see. The big ships mostly just sat there when the battle started, moving only for short amounts of time and too rarely. My computer can handle ~100 ships without too much idling, but for some reason it looked like just a few dozen. On both teams.
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| You missed one major factor: fighters do attack runs |
From a quick look at the submitted fleets the total hull values seem to be in the range of 900,000 give or take a few hundred thousand points. Assuming that a fleet has 1,600,000 hull points it would take 1,600,000/185=8649 MD rounds to destroy. With 100 ships (continuing from the last post example), a single ship needs to fire 86,5 rounds. With 4 MDs a single MD needs to fire 21.7 rounds. MD has fire rate of 740 rounds per minute or 12,3 rounds/second. So if a fighter can get only 1,76 seconds of fire on average the opposing fleet will be destroyed. I can't see it being more than 4 attack runs even with the short range of mass drivers and collision detection (1 or 2 being the realistic number). And with the full fleet of 199x4 MD solanos a ship needs only 0,9 seconds to fire enough rounds to inflict enough damage to destroy any fleet. That is, just a single attack run for all fighters.
I'll do some testing later today and try to see what is really happening. The PSG is starting to sound like a good choice .
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Stars_InTheirEyes
Joined: 09 Jan 2007
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Location: Plymouth,UK
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 09:44 Post subject: |
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X2-Eliah, you know now you love us all here?
How about giving us some behind-the-scenes? 
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Algoran
Joined: 05 Apr 2006
Posts: 401 on topic
Location: Perth, Fourecks
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 11:42 Post subject: |
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This, it is epic. I wanna play!
And thus, here's my contribution:
The Sunset Squad
Phoenix
1 x hull: 68,560,758
5 x 2gj: 3,739,620
24 x gc: 17,464,032 (front, left and right)
12 x isr: 5,828,916 (rear, top and bottom)
100 x gc ammo: 683,300
30 x tempest missile: 404,280
Total = 96,680,906
1 x Phoenix = 96,680,906
Tokyo
1 x hull: 68,226,890
5 x 2gj: 3,739,620
8 x ssc: 4,986,144 (top and bottom)
16 x m/am launcher: 7,229,952 (front, rear, left and right)
10 x m/am ammo: 9,360
Total = 84,191,966
1 x Tokyo = 84,191,966
Nova Raider
1 x hull: 1,610,680
3 x 25mj: 257,100
4 x ebc: 604,576
4 x prg: 598,336 (one prg in tail turret)
10 x wasp missile: 13,480
10 x ebc ammo: 15,510
Total = 3,099,682
16 x Nova Raider = 49,594,912
Scorpion
1 x hull: 314,800
1 x 5mj: 20,776
1 x pbe: 249,308
5 x wasp missile: 6,740
Total = 591,624
33 x Scorpion = 19,523,592
Total cost = 249,991,376. 8,624 remaining.
Hanger slots used: 49/50.
Hopefully I've got that all right.
Tried to make a reasonably balanced fleet, and I kept ending up arriving at the same ships everyone else was picking! There's good reason for their popularity I guess Think I still managed to come up with something that doesn't look like I copied it though.
But seriously; solanos, after looking at their stats.. is it just me or are they way too good? I was sorely tempted!
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Mutiny
Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 12:00 Post subject: |
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| Algoran wrote: |
| Tried to make a reasonably balanced fleet, and I kept ending up arriving at the same ships everyone else was picking! There's good reason for their popularity I guess Think I still managed to come up with something that doesn't look like I copied it though. |
You could try limiting yourself to certain races or ship classes, i find it more interesting and challenging as you have to patch up holes in your fleet instead of using the "cookie cutter" template
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Cpt.Jericho
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 12:52 Post subject: |
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@ x2-eliah:
Don't feel too flattered - I would have had opted for the Deimos anyway  . Though probably not with all these PSGs but there are more swarm fleets in this - how many frakking Iguanas? Feh, going with 6 PSG through those is like mounting a lawnmower on your chest and walk through a horde of zombies 
@Algoran:
I don't think your fleet looks copied in any aspect. I'm surprised of the outfit of a Tokyo. Those M/AMLs are MEAN. But only 4GJ shields on your M2? Well, it's your funeral
@mutiny:
Only the best ships for the TerrorCorps. F.A.R.T.
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Alex Vanderbilt
Winner X3 Sektorquest
Joined: 04 May 2006
Posts: 2103 on topic
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 14:03 Post subject: |
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| Mutiny wrote: |
| Algoran wrote: |
| Tried to make a reasonably balanced fleet, and I kept ending up arriving at the same ships everyone else was picking! There's good reason for their popularity I guess Think I still managed to come up with something that doesn't look like I copied it though. |
You could try limiting yourself to certain races or ship classes, i find it more interesting and challenging as you have to patch up holes in your fleet instead of using the "cookie cutter" template |
Indeed. Signed. Totally agree. The whole competition loses it's sense when everyone uses the same fleets. In this case we'd better use a lottery to find the winner instead of watching 10 cloned battles.  I don't say, it should be prohibited to use the same fleets, but one should really think twice about using the one and only way to win sth. again and again. That just dumb in my opinion.
Anyway, made a minor Missile Update on my fleet. The only bottle of victory champagne I can buy with the remaining Cr belongs to me then.
AV
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perkint
Joined: 06 Nov 2002
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 14:35 Post subject: |
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| Cpt.Jericho wrote: |
| like mounting a lawnmower on your chest and walk through a horde of zombies |
I recognise that reference - Brain Dead by Peter Jackson!!!
Do I win a prize?
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Tenlar Scarflame
Joined: 30 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 16:05 Post subject: |
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Absolutely true - I've been seeing a lot of Solanos, Nova Raiders, Falcon Haulers, and Panthers. (I am partially to blame... but Falcon Haulers fit in with my Teladi fleet. )
There's a couple days left... I might still restructure my fleet. There's a pure Boron fleet, Paranid fleet (almost pure), Argon fleet, and Teladi fleet... but I haven't seen a real All-Split battle group yet. I'd say they have a lot more to offer the competition outside of the Clown Car/Panther.
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Master of the Blade
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 16:18 Post subject: |
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| but I haven't seen a real All-Split battle group yet |
The reason for that is thwofold. Firstly, their larger capital craft are undergunned and undershielded, leaving frigates as their only logical choice of battleship. Secondly, their badly-shielded fighters(sharing this drawback with the Boron) are cannon fodder for the abundance of flak in most fleets.
And as for the popularity of the Falcon Hauler, it's the heaviest shielded buyable M3, sharing that position with the Argon Eclipse, which costs twice as much. The F.H's larger cargobay and similar speed offsets the far smaller weapon generator(uses ammo based weapons well). (Not to mention the missile spamming ability of a fighter with 350 freight space.)
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Mutiny
Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 16:23 Post subject: |
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| Tenlar Scarflame wrote: |
| There's a pure Boron fleet, Paranid fleet (almost pure), Argon fleet, and Teladi fleet... but I haven't seen a real All-Split battle group yet. . |
I had just noticed that as well, theres an all yaki fleet also.
I was considering for XFF 2 a Profit Guild fleet or having a fleet with ships no smaller than m6s (so no dockng is needed)
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| The reason for that is thwofold. Firstly, their larger capital craft are undergunned and undershielded, leaving frigates as their only logical choice of battleship. |
It would be a challenge but every commander has to make sacrifices
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Deadbeat_Spinn
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 16:27 Post subject: |
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Ho hum de dum, fleet list updated. We are now at 30 fleets.....2 more to go (or more).
I don't really see an all Split fleet happening...unless some of their unbuyable ships were made available.
Sure the Falcon Hauler has the heaviest shielding with a 200 MJ shield but I think that could lead to it's downfall. The recharge rate is significantly slower than fighters using 25 MJ shields.
I see TJ has decided to still be absent, TWO DAYS prior to the start of Round 1 of the competition. I even checked my message box since I sent him a PM yesterday on the new fleets......the message is still sitting in the Outbox.
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Master of the Blade
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| Posted: Wed, 14. Apr 10, 16:33 Post subject: |
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| The recharge rate [of the Falcon Hauler] is significantly slower than fighters using 25 MJ shields. |
Aye, but fighters tend to die very fast when they come in range of flak, with no chance to recharge. So you want the ship to last as long as possible under sustained heavy anti fighter fire to deliver its attack, which even 100mj of shields will struggle to do. The Terran fighters are probably better than the F.H, but ~360k for each and every gun? Come on.
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