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crawlerw
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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 Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 11:42 Post subject: Q VS Shrike |
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well my New "secondhand" Shrike
ended up in a xenon sector by chance.
First thing on sensors was a Q comming streight at me.
Well only thing working is the shields and the speed of the Q makes anykind of evation impossible.
Boom 1 Q down and shields at 46%
gotta love the crap made by the Teladi
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1muvwndr
  
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 12:36 Post subject: Re: Q VS Shrike |
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| crawlerw wrote: |
Boom 1 Q down and shields at 46% |
Guess you didn't dodge a lot since usually a Q goes down with my shields at 85% when it goes wrong. 
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SIMON POPPLEWELL
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 12:40 Post subject: |
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Try sending it in against a Q OOS and it would be a different story I think. 
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Gazz
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 13:20 Post subject: |
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Then it would be simple luck. Any M7 (maybe even terran ones) can instakill any M2 OOS.
Of course they can also do that with softer targets.
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SIMON POPPLEWELL
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 13:34 Post subject: |
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| Gazz wrote: |
Then it would be simple luck. Any M7 (maybe even terran ones) can instakill any M2 OOS.
Of course they can also do that with softer targets. |
I've only seen that with Qs and M2s, the only exception was my Boreas Vs a Carrack, and that was because I forget to give it ammo for it's GCs. 
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Starlight_Corporation
Joined: 17 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 19:53 Post subject: |
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Heh had some troubles with Q's in the Split sectors around Family Zyarth, so got me a Split Tiger. Guy plain rocks; mops up any Q IS and OOS without trouble (worst he ever had was 20% shields remaining, but he usually leaves the battle with 80%+ shields)
He got a full Flakk loadout in turrets, and frontal is Ion Shard Railcannons (only 1 IBL factory in my game, at Tempest, so going veeerrryyyy slow in getting IBL's)
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Nanook
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 19:58 Post subject: |
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| SIMON POPPLEWELL wrote: |
| Try sending it in against a Q OOS and it would be a different story I think. |
Probably, since he apparently didn't have any weapons working on the Shrike yet, as implied by his 'only shields working' comment. Also the fact that collisions are turned off OOS.
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Ulan Dhor
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 20:05 Post subject: |
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So it was more or less luck that the Q didn't have a full set of shields? Well, that was fortunate  .
I never tried anything OOS against a Q, but I noticed that, IS and in the hands of the AI, my Panther does much better against a Q than my Boreas. The Boreas has a hard time hitting that thing.
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SIMON POPPLEWELL
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 20:09 Post subject: |
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| Nanook wrote: |
| SIMON POPPLEWELL wrote: |
| Try sending it in against a Q OOS and it would be a different story I think. |
Probably, since he apparently didn't have any weapons working on the Shrike yet, as implied by his 'only shields working' comment. Also the fact that collisions are turned off OOS. |
But in most cases OOS a Q will kill a Shrike no problem, as with most M7s, found this out the hard way.
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kurush
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 20:35 Post subject: |
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| Gazz wrote: |
| can instakill any M2 OOS. |
Even, say Osaka set to attack capital ships? I have a pair of those guarding the passage from Getsu to Xenon Core and they seem to be doing fine so far. I also think Boreas can resist if fully shielded and loaded with PPC.
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SIMON POPPLEWELL
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 20:51 Post subject: |
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I also think Boreas can resist if fully shielded and loaded with PPC.
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Not so, I've lost a Boreas, 2x Phoenix, Oddy and a Akuma to Qs in Terran US 1. Although I now have 4 M2s set to attack Capitals which seems to be working so far...
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kurush
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 20:53 Post subject: |
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| SIMON POPPLEWELL wrote: |
Not so, I've lost a Boreas, 2x Phoenix, Oddy and a Akuma to Qs in Terran US 1. Although I now have 4 M2s set to attack Capitals which seems to be working so far... |
That's what I am doing as well, Osaka+Akuma combo Akumas die sometimes but they are basically free. In TUS1 they can get overwhelmed though, Xenons there come in groups.
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SIMON POPPLEWELL
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 20:59 Post subject: |
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| kurush wrote: |
| SIMON POPPLEWELL wrote: |
Not so, I've lost a Boreas, 2x Phoenix, Oddy and a Akuma to Qs in Terran US 1. Although I now have 4 M2s set to attack Capitals which seems to be working so far... |
That's what I am doing as well, Osaka+Akuma combo Akumas die sometimes but they are basically free. In TUS1 they can get overwhelmed though, Xenons there come in groups. |
That is the biggest problem with the command attack all enemies. They usually end up attacking a fighter and get killed by the Q. So I've set up 2 Phoenix with command attack capitals and a couple of Akumas with the attack all enemies. This seems to have minimised the casualties so far.
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Gazz
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| Posted: Thu, 5. Nov 09, 22:15 Post subject: |
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| kurush wrote: |
| Even, say Osaka set to attack capital ships? |
Any M2. Period.
An M7 can output > 10 Mil damage in a single "shot" OOS so if it gets really lucky on the roll and if it attacks first, there is no fight whatsoever.
Sure it's a rare occurrence but no amount of wishful thinking can change that particular fact.
Wyvern logged and evaluated OOS combat extensively. I only sweet-talked X3 into spilling the beans and logging the unalterable low-level data.
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XanII
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| Posted: Fri, 6. Nov 09, 11:58 Post subject: |
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You took hits with the Shrike? my shields are quite strong after a Q encounter. Just fly straight ahead and blast it and use your Gauss for support.
or do the broadside tactic and sail past it and let the Gauss tear it apart. Takes more time though and dont let it behind you.
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