@ThisIsHarsh,
Thanks for the info on the Kha'ak. I didn't think their numbers were that far from Vanilla either, so it sounds like the small change to their number wasn't too impactive, and bumping it up a tad will have a net effect of almost nil. I personally have run into them here and there, outside of missions. But my fight rank is around 20 now, so I deserve the beatings.
@Litcube,
Thanks for the feedback. I think Cloudbase SE is just off the main trade lanes, given that it sits in a corner. However the traders that handle Ore are being increased slightly - some of them also do Bio and Food. The main thing to consider is: are you also trading in these sectors with sector or universe traders, or are you allowing the NPCs to handle all of it? There really *should* be a little headroom for the player to grab some commerce, which means some sectors and goods will from time to time dip down. When other factories get full, these low sectors will get attention, and the scale will shift back.
Add to that, the fact that I don't want to get the gates *too* busy (like vanilla had them), to avoid traffic jams, which hurt all traders and stations. I think the small increase that is planned for RC1 of Unleashed (which is +5% to 10%) should be adequate. Some of them are station-owned, some of them are free traders.
The traders in your universe are probably taking advantage of clearer trade lanes (no traffic jams), and flying farther from their start points to take advantage of better trades. I expect the bump in numbers to fill the gap easy.
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I hear you. After more playing, Cloudbase SE was tended to after about 8 hours game time. And you know what, I think I'm cool with that. I don't even see it as a compromise for the awesome performance Unleashed provides. If I, as a player, don't get off my ass and do something about the economy, it will run slower. It's not crashing, by any standard, just slowing down a litte.
As I continue with my quest here, I'm going to report in ocassionally. I'd just like to contribute my findings in the name of science.
Science.
As I continue with my quest here, I'm going to report in ocassionally. I'd just like to contribute my findings in the name of science.
Science.
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Targ Collective
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Jaga, please do at least one thing.
In Aldrin, start up around 20 or 40 fully upgraded Springblossoms and have them all run the Sector Trader AI (zero jumps of course) to save the sector from GoD. It's more expensive than the standard AI, however, that's already made up for in Unleashed and Aldrin *needs* this if the sector is to work.
Please?
In Aldrin, start up around 20 or 40 fully upgraded Springblossoms and have them all run the Sector Trader AI (zero jumps of course) to save the sector from GoD. It's more expensive than the standard AI, however, that's already made up for in Unleashed and Aldrin *needs* this if the sector is to work.
Please?
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Jaga_Telesin
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Targ,
Are you saying the economy for Aldrin stations is totally dead? I haven't looked at it since I was there for missions in the plot. I don't think I adjusted Aldrin stuff down very much either, so it is near vanilla levels of traders. If there are problems, it is probably due to the size of the sector combined with the huge rocks.
Yes, faster and more maneuverable ships would be one answer, though they would have to be "rarely bail" so that they aren't taken advantage of by the player. Springblossoms are probably over the top, but a fun notion.
What are you finding is happening to Aldrin in your game, and is it any different from a vanilla game in your experience?
Are you saying the economy for Aldrin stations is totally dead? I haven't looked at it since I was there for missions in the plot. I don't think I adjusted Aldrin stuff down very much either, so it is near vanilla levels of traders. If there are problems, it is probably due to the size of the sector combined with the huge rocks.
Yes, faster and more maneuverable ships would be one answer, though they would have to be "rarely bail" so that they aren't taken advantage of by the player. Springblossoms are probably over the top, but a fun notion.
What are you finding is happening to Aldrin in your game, and is it any different from a vanilla game in your experience?
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Jaga_Telesin
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Gripen,
I think CMod has an altered Jobs.txt file as an option (don't personally use it, but read about it a while ago). If you can, make sure that Unleashed's Cat/Dat pair are loaded last (highest numbers), since they only make a change to the # of flights in the universe.
What it sounds like, is something with an altered Jobs file is loading after Unleashed, and not allowing it to change flights as a result.
I think CMod has an altered Jobs.txt file as an option (don't personally use it, but read about it a while ago). If you can, make sure that Unleashed's Cat/Dat pair are loaded last (highest numbers), since they only make a change to the # of flights in the universe.
What it sounds like, is something with an altered Jobs file is loading after Unleashed, and not allowing it to change flights as a result.
Jaga_Telesin... I can set my graphics settings higher! 
I'm using Improved Races, CMOD, Pirate Guilds along with
many other great scripts and thus far I have seen an
incredible change in my x3TerranConflict game-play
experience especially with a very low end desktop.
Thanks & keep up the great work.
I'm using Improved Races, CMOD, Pirate Guilds along with
many other great scripts and thus far I have seen an
incredible change in my x3TerranConflict game-play
experience especially with a very low end desktop.
Thanks & keep up the great work.
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Jaga, due to the huge size of Aldrin it suffers from the wrath of GoD disproportionately - loads of stations just don't trade enough. They vanish. They do not return!
Here's an idea! If certain stations - the marine training barracks in Home of Light springs to mind - are removed, the game replaces them. I wonder if it would be possible to do this with Aldran stations?
Otherwise, the only way to save Aldrin is through the gratuitous use of many many traders. The weapons fabs are at the top of the production chain, so arranging a brisk trade there will create demand all through the economy. Perhaps an Aldran station buys weapons without stocking them like the corporation HQs...? If not then perhaps such could be arranged?
Here's an idea! If certain stations - the marine training barracks in Home of Light springs to mind - are removed, the game replaces them. I wonder if it would be possible to do this with Aldran stations?
Otherwise, the only way to save Aldrin is through the gratuitous use of many many traders. The weapons fabs are at the top of the production chain, so arranging a brisk trade there will create demand all through the economy. Perhaps an Aldran station buys weapons without stocking them like the corporation HQs...? If not then perhaps such could be arranged?
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Jaga_Telesin
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@Gripen:
There is a way to check and see if Unleashed has an effect on your installation, but it requires an existing savegame that never had Unleashed installed. When you add Unleashed in, and load that savegame, you will notice flights in the universe for a short time that have no name on the ship. That means that their job in the file was truncated, and they are to remove themselves when their script expires (completes).
If you don't have a savegame like this, you can always:
@yospanky:
Glad to hear it really helps your machine. Improved races probably stomped hard on your CPU due to the additional ships (along with the other mods).
@Targ Collective:
I believe I understand what you are saying about Aldrin. Part of the problem could easily be alleviated by the addition of some fast and large M3 and/or M6 traders in the sector. Just enough of a bump to deliver resources to stations on a regular basis so that they can keep producing.
The true problem with Aldrin, is the massive space between stations in the sector. It was simply designed too large - for a standard freighter to fly from one side to the other takes far too long. Even using a M3 trader only reduces that time by 1/2 or 1/3. Putting a fleet of Springblossoms in there might help some, but it also might be too tempting for a player to abuse in trying to capture them.
I'll have to think on it a bit and see if there is a graceful option to help the sector. It is outside the scope of Unleashed from a basic "what it was meant to do" perspective, but due to edits in the Jobs file, Unleashed is clearly the place to try and arrange the fix.
There is a way to check and see if Unleashed has an effect on your installation, but it requires an existing savegame that never had Unleashed installed. When you add Unleashed in, and load that savegame, you will notice flights in the universe for a short time that have no name on the ship. That means that their job in the file was truncated, and they are to remove themselves when their script expires (completes).
If you don't have a savegame like this, you can always:
- Uninstall Unleashed temporarily.
- Start a new game, save a savegame from it
- Exit and install Unleashed
- Start the game and load the savegame you just made
- Look for the nameless ships in different sectors.
@yospanky:
Glad to hear it really helps your machine. Improved races probably stomped hard on your CPU due to the additional ships (along with the other mods).
@Targ Collective:
I believe I understand what you are saying about Aldrin. Part of the problem could easily be alleviated by the addition of some fast and large M3 and/or M6 traders in the sector. Just enough of a bump to deliver resources to stations on a regular basis so that they can keep producing.
The true problem with Aldrin, is the massive space between stations in the sector. It was simply designed too large - for a standard freighter to fly from one side to the other takes far too long. Even using a M3 trader only reduces that time by 1/2 or 1/3. Putting a fleet of Springblossoms in there might help some, but it also might be too tempting for a player to abuse in trying to capture them.
I'll have to think on it a bit and see if there is a graceful option to help the sector. It is outside the scope of Unleashed from a basic "what it was meant to do" perspective, but due to edits in the Jobs file, Unleashed is clearly the place to try and arrange the fix.
Okay some progress if you can call it that... i think my plugin manager has gone haywire...
No matter how many plugins i uninstall they still remain active ingame (cmod etc) probably been some mismatch with the cad/dat files...
update: cant for the life of me figure out what im doing wrong.... removed all dat/cat based mods... cleared out the plugin manager... reapplied 2.5.. renamed Unleashed-NoCivs-Beta1.cat + .dat to 10.cat and 10.dat and put them in main folder... loaded existing savegame and visited family pride which turned out to be flooded with civ ships with proper names! if i add any other mod this way same method works instantly (complex cleaner in this case)...
Sorry bout crappy english
No matter how many plugins i uninstall they still remain active ingame (cmod etc) probably been some mismatch with the cad/dat files...
update: cant for the life of me figure out what im doing wrong.... removed all dat/cat based mods... cleared out the plugin manager... reapplied 2.5.. renamed Unleashed-NoCivs-Beta1.cat + .dat to 10.cat and 10.dat and put them in main folder... loaded existing savegame and visited family pride which turned out to be flooded with civ ships with proper names! if i add any other mod this way same method works instantly (complex cleaner in this case)...
Sorry bout crappy english
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Jaga_Telesin
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Well, Unleashed doesn't totally remove Civilian flights, just a lot of them. Many still remain to keep flavor in the universe.
It is possible that the cat/dat aren't taking effect for some reason, though I can't imagine what that would be on your end. I'm hesitant to recommend a reinstall since that wipes any custom start options you've earned from the new game menu. If you can track down the topic on these forums that tells you how to add those back in, you might really benefit from a reinstall.
You may be on the right track with the plugin manager. You could always do a backup of your X3TC directory first, then uninstall any/all mods you can, then just try a new savegame + Unleashed and see what happens to flights. It isn't unheard of that X3TC installs get screwy after enough mod installs/uninstalls.
It is possible that the cat/dat aren't taking effect for some reason, though I can't imagine what that would be on your end. I'm hesitant to recommend a reinstall since that wipes any custom start options you've earned from the new game menu. If you can track down the topic on these forums that tells you how to add those back in, you might really benefit from a reinstall.
You may be on the right track with the plugin manager. You could always do a backup of your X3TC directory first, then uninstall any/all mods you can, then just try a new savegame + Unleashed and see what happens to flights. It isn't unheard of that X3TC installs get screwy after enough mod installs/uninstalls.
Okay i must be doing something wrong because i still cant get it to work.
Let me say what ive been doing step-by-step
1. Uninstalled X3TC
2. Reinstalled X3TC
3. Applied 1.0.1 - 2.5 patch
6. Started game, changed name to thereshallbewings, flew to a sector with lots of civ ships, saved in a station.
4. Copied Unleashed-NoCivs-Beta1.cat and Unleashed-NoCivs-Beta1.dat to the install folder as normal.
5. Renamed them to both to number 10 in the list.
6. Started the loaded game, not a single civ ship in the sector is without name. (i know what it looks like since ive used other no militaries/civ mods)
Tried for reference to do the same thing with a nociv mod and that works... nameless ships everywhere...
I probably just have to give up on this mod since for some reason i cant get it to work even on a fresh install
Let me say what ive been doing step-by-step
1. Uninstalled X3TC
2. Reinstalled X3TC
3. Applied 1.0.1 - 2.5 patch
6. Started game, changed name to thereshallbewings, flew to a sector with lots of civ ships, saved in a station.
4. Copied Unleashed-NoCivs-Beta1.cat and Unleashed-NoCivs-Beta1.dat to the install folder as normal.
5. Renamed them to both to number 10 in the list.
6. Started the loaded game, not a single civ ship in the sector is without name. (i know what it looks like since ive used other no militaries/civ mods)
Tried for reference to do the same thing with a nociv mod and that works... nameless ships everywhere...
I probably just have to give up on this mod since for some reason i cant get it to work even on a fresh install
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Jaga_Telesin
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There's always the possibility of a corrupt cat/dat from the download. It does sound like your process is valid for testing on your machine. Are you using a new game or loading an old one?
If you'd like, I can send you a cat/dat pair that I've used in testing here (via email) so that part could be eliminated as a potential problem on your install. Sending me a screenshot of your install directory might help as well, if you have detail view for it. Shoot me a PM if you'd like to do a bit of investigation.. I'm sure there's a fix.
If you'd like, I can send you a cat/dat pair that I've used in testing here (via email) so that part could be eliminated as a potential problem on your install. Sending me a screenshot of your install directory might help as well, if you have detail view for it. Shoot me a PM if you'd like to do a bit of investigation.. I'm sure there's a fix.
Well now im somewhat confused, I kinda gave up and started over with tormented teladi... left the cad files in place though kinda hoping it would just happen to work... anyways i have yet after a couple of hours play to see a civilian ship..
This is kinda odd since if i load the other savegame that i had for reference i get tons of civilian ships everywhere (thier names intact)...
Perhaps its a coinsidence i havent seen any civies in teladi space in comparison to split space but i guess i will see after i get some more hours ingame..
Dunno what to think atm
I know for a fact that the savegame im trying with is bloated with diffrent scripts and mods, could that affect things even if the mods are removed?
Perhaps if i sent you the savegame im testing with you can check if any ships are removed on your install?
This is kinda odd since if i load the other savegame that i had for reference i get tons of civilian ships everywhere (thier names intact)...
Perhaps its a coinsidence i havent seen any civies in teladi space in comparison to split space but i guess i will see after i get some more hours ingame..
Dunno what to think atm
I know for a fact that the savegame im trying with is bloated with diffrent scripts and mods, could that affect things even if the mods are removed?
Perhaps if i sent you the savegame im testing with you can check if any ships are removed on your install?
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Jaga_Telesin
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Nope - sending me a savegame that has a bunch of scripts/mods already used in it doesn't help much, since odds are poor I'd even be able to run it. That's sorta why I suggested a new script/mod-free savegame to test Unleashed on your end.
When you start a new game with Unleashed installed (already), those civilian ships are never permitted to spawn in the first place. That is the cleanest and best test to see if the install is working, which it sounds like it is.
I'd suggest your old savegame has something going on in it that is mucking with ships and/or the Jobs. Chances are good the civ ships would disappear there too over time. It is hard to say which script/mod might be the culprit, or if there even is a problem - some of the ships you see there might be spawned by a script, and not the God engine at all.
Since it is working perfectly for you in Tormented Teladi, keep watching your game's performance and ships in sectors, see how it goes. Sounds like Unleashed is working on your rig now.
When you start a new game with Unleashed installed (already), those civilian ships are never permitted to spawn in the first place. That is the cleanest and best test to see if the install is working, which it sounds like it is.
I'd suggest your old savegame has something going on in it that is mucking with ships and/or the Jobs. Chances are good the civ ships would disappear there too over time. It is hard to say which script/mod might be the culprit, or if there even is a problem - some of the ships you see there might be spawned by a script, and not the God engine at all.
Since it is working perfectly for you in Tormented Teladi, keep watching your game's performance and ships in sectors, see how it goes. Sounds like Unleashed is working on your rig now.
Hello and thanks for such a great improvement and really analytic approach on the performance.
Readme specifies that user should not use any "No-Civ" mod with X3 Unleashed. Well... what If use Graxter's mod with X3 Unleashed Standard version ? I'd like to keep "specialist civ's" for a flavor.
DOes Unleashed No Civilian version remove all civilian ships or only certain types like civilian ship, taxi, dropship ?
Readme specifies that user should not use any "No-Civ" mod with X3 Unleashed. Well... what If use Graxter's mod with X3 Unleashed Standard version ? I'd like to keep "specialist civ's" for a flavor.
DOes Unleashed No Civilian version remove all civilian ships or only certain types like civilian ship, taxi, dropship ?
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Jaga_Telesin
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Unleashed No-Civ removes any and all Civilian ships from the universe. What remains are police, military, pirates, yaki, xenon, traders, etc.
The standard version of Unleashed reduces Civilian ships to a more realistic number, but doesn't remove them completely. It sounds like you're wanting this version. Due to the way Graxter's NoCiv mod and Unleashed work, the two are mutually exclusive, and can't be installed together.
Give the standard Unleashed a try, I expect it has what you want.
The standard version of Unleashed reduces Civilian ships to a more realistic number, but doesn't remove them completely. It sounds like you're wanting this version. Due to the way Graxter's NoCiv mod and Unleashed work, the two are mutually exclusive, and can't be installed together.
Give the standard Unleashed a try, I expect it has what you want.
I removed Graxter's NoCiv and tried Unleashed Standard. I must admit from now on the game work like it should. No huge, pointles traffic anymore, reduced military. Now I see my cpu is breathing, original game is such a choke up for the cpu.
Now It is the time if this mod works good with Pirate Guild and Military Base response Revamp.
Now It is the time if this mod works good with Pirate Guild and Military Base response Revamp.
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