To spray or not to spray??

Deleted User · Post by **Deleted User** » Sat, 3. Feb 07, 02:10

Thats about it I'm afraid, so the effect is practically none,
the shader saturation is colour related only.

Shame about that,
although it might be a little difficult to see a black Hyperion or Raptor:
if you see what I mean:
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a black dragon might be marginally more interesting
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Post by **Nanook** » Sat, 3. Feb 07, 02:14

Dave Toome wrote:Thats about it I'm afraid, so the effect is practically none,
the shader saturation is colour related only.

Shame about that,

Yeah.

although it might be a little difficult to see a black Hyperion or Raptor:....

But that's the whole point. I wanna look like a shadow, a Shade of Death. They won't see me until it's too late.

Kitch · Post by **Kitch** » Sat, 3. Feb 07, 03:32

Nanook, we're of the same mind...

I have just so gotta get me one of these:

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Post by **Nanook** » Sat, 3. Feb 07, 19:45

[Best 'Joey' voice] Now that's what I"M talkin' about!

cswiger · Post by **cswiger** » Sat, 3. Feb 07, 20:18

Dave, dude-- those pictures rock. I'm gonna build me a Green Dragon as soon as my HQ frees up. I RE:ed the heavily damaged one from the US near Maelstrom by flying it (remotely) all the way to President's End.

Deleted User · Post by **Deleted User** » Sun, 4. Feb 07, 02:58

I'm afraid to say that I've used all the green Hammerite paint in the galaxy,

you'll have to have Lilac Dragons, or Puse, maybe a nice shade of Purple/Pink?

artantix · Post by **artantix** » Sun, 4. Feb 07, 03:42

I have the hue set at 210....and saturation as high as it will go for my split ships....good blue.
have used it on busters and nova also.....slightly less bold blue....but it still looks good...

Good flying..............

Martin Logan · Post by **Martin Logan** » Tue, 5. Jun 07, 17:37

Some Great info on this topic ill try some of these settings as soon as i get my HQ Back thanks for those pictures with settings Dave Toome.

Deleted User · Post by **Deleted User** » Tue, 5. Jun 07, 20:11

This seems like half a life-time ago

At one point I was going to do some sort of comprehensive chart,
but I think as soon as you get the hang of it, it becomes fairly obvious.
Might still do one anyway.

zooze · Post by **zooze** » Tue, 5. Jun 07, 21:12

There is only one colour for a dragon, and thats purple:

http://www.zooze.co.uk/X3/x3screen00003.jpg

Settings 240,128,0.

Zoozer

dm4544 · Post by **dm4544** » Wed, 6. Jun 07, 18:49

For some odd reason that purple makes me hungry.

Ah well, thanks for the info Dave Toome, it really is helpful, I think this should be stickied until a real guide is made. It'll help a lot of the newer players.

khaakbaiter · Post by **khaakbaiter** » Wed, 6. Jun 07, 22:05

if purple makes you hungry then go eat a khaak.
Very tasty

jumbled · Post by **jumbled** » Thu, 7. Jun 07, 12:39

I suspect there's a wicked twist to this, as it doesn't seem to be consistent between ships of different races.

Consider the two color bars in previous posts:

Woffin wrote:[ external image ]

and

Dave Toome wrote:[ external image ]

I'm trying to figure out some nice colors for my fleet, which involves a mix of ships from different races. Here I have some Split Mambas (sorry for the quality...Argon Prime isn't very good at providing light for photos):

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The top one is hue 320, the middle is hue 0 and bottom is hue 90 (all saturation at 256). This progression appears to work in line with Woffin's post. Next up, some Paranid Demeters:

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The top one is hue 0, next is 180, then 320 and the bottom one is 90 (sorry it's not in order). Again, saturation is 256 in all cases. This seems to follow Dave's post.

So it would appear someone is making this very difficult to predict what color you'll get for what number you put in. We definitely need a color chart, and it looks like we need more than one (one for each race).

I wonder how many more variations there are... Haven't tried Teladi stuff yet...

jlehtone · Post by **jlehtone** » Thu, 7. Jun 07, 13:14

Iveco wrote:

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Argon:
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HUE_ZEROPOS     = -26
HUEMODIFIER_MIN = 340
HUEMODIFIER_MAX = 30

Boron:
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HUE_ZEROPOS     = 260
HUEMODIFIER_MIN = 0
HUEMODIFIER_MAX = 0

Split:
------
HUE_ZEROPOS     = 350
HUEMODIFIER_MIN = 0
HUEMODIFIER_MAX = 0

Paranid:
--------
HUE_ZEROPOS     = 0
HUEMODIFIER_MIN = 340
HUEMODIFIER_MAX = 20

Teladi:
-------
HUE_ZEROPOS     = 130
HUEMODIFIER_MIN = 340
HUEMODIFIER_MAX = 20

Xenon:
------
HUE_ZEROPOS     = 0
HUEMODIFIER_MIN = 340
HUEMODIFIER_MAX = 20

Restliche Rassen:
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HUE_ZEROPOS     = 0
HUEMODIFIER_MIN = 0
HUEMODIFIER_MAX = 0

HUE_ZEROPOS of Split and Paranid seem to differ by 10 in that list, but in Woffin's and Dave's bars they differ more.

jumbled · Post by **jumbled** » Thu, 7. Jun 07, 18:27

I'm not much of a graphics designer, so I'm no good where hue, etc. comes in. In simpler terms, where in the rainbow is hue "0" supposed to be? And in the case of Split vs Paranid, how can a dfference of 10 make green for Split come in at the low 100's, but for Paranid it's more into the 200's?

I'm working over here trying to make up a new chart through tedious experimentation, and I think I have a close approximation for Split now. The colors don't exactly match, so I'm guessing they "mix" with the inherent natural color of the Split ship hull material, but at least it gives a general reference -- VERY general.

I'm also working on Paranid, but theirs trend more in the way of pastels on polished metal (making some of it hard to distinguish).

If you've ever seen colored aluminum seasonal items during Easter, that'll give you an idea for the Paranid, whereas the Split stuff looks like dirt with a bit of glitter thrown on it.

Ultimately, though, it'll take someone with a better eye and better tools, and maybe the utilities to pull out the texture meshes from the game to play with and get actual samples to make a more accurate chart.

jumbled · Post by **jumbled** » Fri, 8. Jun 07, 10:50

Oh yeah, the name says it all...

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Beware the PUNISHER!

Hey, can I help it if my main character in this game is female?

Gothsheep · Post by **Gothsheep** » Fri, 8. Jun 07, 11:03

I demand that whenever you open up with all your main guns in that, you yell, "CARE BEAR STARE!"

Deleted User · Post by **Deleted User** » Thu, 14. Jun 07, 03:16

Just for a laugh:
Model Viewer now supports spray shop...
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see thread
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 64#2142764