Factory node counts

spcutler · Post by **spcutler** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 08:53

Ok, after throwing together some hacky Perl scripts and making extensive use of Doubleshadow's excellent X3 Editor, I think I finally have a comprehensive list of the complex node counts on each of the factory types.

There's no guarantee that these numbers are accurate, but to the best of my ability I believe they are. Nevertheless, if anyone sees an error, please let me know and I'll investigate it.

The one surprising thing that came out of this is the 4-node Teladi Sun oil refinery M. I double-checked the script and it appears to be doing the right thing, but can anyone verify that off the top of their heads? If it's true, that's going to be a pretty nice, cheap way to expand the node count in a big complex (say, one that produces a large number of PACs, HEPTs or PPCs).

For the curious, I am analyzing the XXX_scene.bod files for the number of "dummy_connection" entries. I don't know for certain that this is the correct way to determine the node counts, but it seems to corellate.

Anyway, on to the list:

1 Node:
Boron Alpha PAC Forge
Paranid Alpha PAC Forge
Argon Beta PAC Forge
Paranid Beta PAC Forge
Argon Alpha HEPT Forge
Teladi Alpha HEPT Forge
Paranid Beta HEPT Forge
Split Beta HEPT Forge
Argon Alpha PPC Forge
Teladi Alpha PPC Forge
Boron Beta PPC Forge
Paranid Beta PPC Forge
Argon Gamma PPC Forge
Split Gamma PPC Forge
Argon Mass Driver Forge
Split Mass Driver Forge
Argon Ammunition Factory
Split Ammunition Factory
Boron Ion Disruptor Forge
Split Ion Disruptor Forge
Boron Plankton Farm M
Split Scruffin Farm L
Paranid Soyfarm M
Paranid Snail Ranch M
Paranid Snail Ranch L
Teladi Flower Farm M
Teladi Flower Farm L
Teladi Dream farm M
Teladi Dream farm L
Split Massom Mill M
Teladi Bliss Place M

2 Nodes:
Argon Crystal Fab M
Boron Crystal Fab M
Paranid Crystal Fab M
Split Crystal Fab M
Teladi Crystal Fab M
Argon Chip plant
Boron Chip plant
Paranid Chip plant
Split Chip plant
Teladi Chip plant
Argon Mosquito Missile Factory
Argon Wasp Missile Factory
Argon Silkworm Missile Factory
Boron Mosquito Missile Factory
Boron Dragonfly Missile Factory
Paranid Wasp Missile Factory
Paranid Hornet Missile Factory
Split Wasp Missile Factory
Split Dragonfly Missile Factory
Split Silkworm Missile Factory
Teladi Mosquito Missile Factory
Teladi Silkworm Missile Factory
Argon Lasertower Factory
Paranid Lasertower Factory
Split Lasertower Factory
Argon Drone Factory
Boron Drone Factory
Split Drone Factory
Teladi Drone Factory
Argon Alpha IRE Forge
Boron Beta IRE Forge
Split Beta IRE Forge
Teladi Alpha IRE Forge
Paranid Alpha PSG Forge
Teladi Alpha PSG Forge
Paranid Beta PSG Forge
Teladi Beta PSG Forge
Paranid Gamma PSG Forge
Paranid Mobile Drilling System Factory
Teladi Mobile Drilling System Factory
Boron Alpha Flak Artillery Forge
Split Alpha Flak Artillery Forge
Argon Beta Flak Artillery Forge
Boron Beta Flak Artillery Forge
Argon Alpha PBE Forge
Teladi Alpha PBE Forge
Boron Beta PBE Forge
Split Beta PBE Forge
Argon Shield Prod. Facility 1 MJ
Teladi Shield Prod. Facility 1 MJ
Paranid Shield Prod. Facility 5 MJ
Teladi Shield Prod. Facility 5 MJ
Paranid Shield Prod. Facility 25 MJ
Split Shield Prod. Facility 25 MJ
Argon Shield Prod. Facility 125 MJ
Boron Shield Prod. Facility 125 MJ
Boron Shield Prod. Facility 1GJ
Split Shield Prod. Facility 1GJ
Argon Shield Prod. Facility 10GJ
Paranid Shield Prod. Facility 10GJ
Argon Cattle Ranch M
Argon Cattle Ranch L
Boron Bio Gas Factory L
Split Scruffin Farm M
Argon Cahoona Bakery M
Argon Cahoona Bakery L
Split Rastar Refinery L
Paranid Space Jewellery M
Paranid Space Jewellery L
Teladi Bliss Place L
Argon Solar Power Plant M
Boron Solar Power Plant M
Paranid Solar Power Plant M
Split Solar Power Plant M
Teladi Solar Power Plant M
Argon Ore Mine M
Boron Ore Mine M
Paranid Ore Mine M
Split Ore Mine M
Teladi Ore Mine M
Argon Silicon Mine M
Boron Silicon Mine M
Paranid Silicon Mine M
Split Silicon Mine M
Teladi Silicon Mine M
Argon Firefly Missile Factory
Split Thunderbolt Missile Factory
Boron Tempest Missile Factory
Paranid Hurricane Missile Factory
Teladi Blizzard Missile Factory
Boron Cyclone Missile Factory
Split Tornado Missile Factory
Teladi Typhoon Missile Factory
Argon Firestorm Torpedo Factory
Paranid Aurora Missile Factory
Argon Ore Mine M
Boron Ore Mine M
Paranid Ore Mine M
Split Ore Mine M
Teladi Ore Mine M
Argon Silicon Mine M
Boron Silicon Mine M
Paranid Silicon Mine M
Split Silicon Mine M
Teladi Silicon Mine M

3 Nodes:
Argon Weapon Component Factory
Boron Weapon Component Factory
Paranid Weapon Component Factory
Split Weapon Component Factory
Teladi Weapon Component Factory
Argon Quantum Tube Fab
Boron Quantum Tube Fab
Paranid Quantum Tube Fab
Split Quantum Tube Fab
Teladi Quantum Tube Fab
Argon Computer Plant
Boron Computer Plant
Paranid Computer Plant
Split Computer Plant
Teladi Computer Plant
Paranid SQUASH Mine Factory
Split SQUASH Mine Factory
Teladi SQUASH Mine Factory
Argon Satellite Factory
Boron Satellite Factory
Split Satellite Factory
Teladi Satellite Factory
Argon Advanced Satellite Factory
Paranid Advanced Satellite Factory
Split Advanced Satellite Factory
Argon Wheat Farm M
Argon Wheat Farm L
Boron Plankton Farm L
Boron Bio Gas Factory M
Split Chelt Space Aquarium M
Split Chelt Space Aquarium L
Paranid Soyfarm L
Teladi Teladianium foundry M
Teladi Teladianium foundry L
Argon Rimes Fact M
Argon Rimes Fact L
Argon Space Fuel Distillery M
Argon Space Fuel Distillery L
Boron Stott Mixery M
Boron Stott Mixery L
Boron BoFu Chemical Lab M
Boron BoFu Chemical Lab L
Split Massom Mill L
Split Rastar Refinery M
Paranid Soyery M
Paranid Soyery L
Teladi Sun oil refinery L
Argon Solar Power Plant L
Argon Solar Power Plant XL
Boron Solar Power Plant L
Boron Solar Power Plant XL
Paranid Solar Power Plant L
Paranid Solar Power Plant XL
Split Solar Power Plant L
Split Solar Power Plant XL
Teladi Solar Power Plant L
Teladi Solar Power Plant XL
Xenon Solar Power Plant M
Argon Ore Mine L
Boron Ore Mine L
Paranid Ore Mine L
Split Ore Mine L
Teladi Ore Mine L
Argon Silicon Mine L
Boron Silicon Mine L
Paranid Silicon Mine L
Split Silicon Mine L
Teladi Silicon Mine L
Argon Ore Mine L
Boron Ore Mine L
Paranid Ore Mine L
Split Ore Mine L
Teladi Ore Mine L
Argon Silicon Mine L
Boron Silicon Mine L
Paranid Silicon Mine L
Split Silicon Mine L
Teladi Silicon Mine L

4 Nodes:
Teladi Sun oil refinery M

-Scott

Under God · Post by **Under God** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 08:58

Awesome!

This is almost sticky worthy in my book. Atleast from the tutorials/guides.

This helps a lot in factorying planning on paper first.

spcutler · Post by **spcutler** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 09:11

Glad to be of service. Here's a slightly more condensed version, since there's no variation in node counts between the same factory type between races:

1 Node:
Alpha HEPT Forge
Alpha PAC Forge
Alpha PPC Forge
Ammunition Factory
Beta HEPT Forge
Beta PAC Forge
Beta PPC Forge
Bliss Place M
Dream farm L
Dream farm M
Flower Farm L
Flower Farm M
Gamma PPC Forge
Ion Disruptor Forge
Mass Driver Forge
Massom Mill M
Paranid Crystal Splitter Fab
Paranid Nividium Processing Plant
Plankton Farm M
Scruffin Farm L
Snail Ranch L
Snail Ranch M
Soyfarm M

2 Nodes:
Alpha Flak Artillery Forge
Alpha IRE Forge
Alpha PBE Forge
Alpha PSG Forge
Aurora Missile Factory
Beta Flak Artillery Forge
Beta IRE Forge
Beta PBE Forge
Beta PSG Forge
Bio Gas Factory L
Bliss Place L
Blizzard Missile Factory
Cahoona Bakery L
Cahoona Bakery M
Cattle Ranch L
Cattle Ranch M
Chip plant
Crystal Fab M
Cyclone Missile Factory
Disruptor Missile Fab
Dragonfly Missile Factory
Drone Factory
Firefly Missile Factory
Firestorm Torpedo Factory
Gamma PSG Forge
Hornet Missile Factory
Hurricane Missile Factory
Lasertower Factory
Mobile Drilling System Factory
Mosquito Missile Factory
Ore Mine M
Paranid Crystal Splitter Fab
Rastar Refinery L
Scruffin Farm M
Shield Prod. Facility 1 MJ
Shield Prod. Facility 10GJ
Shield Prod. Facility 125 MJ
Shield Prod. Facility 1GJ
Shield Prod. Facility 25 MJ
Shield Prod. Facility 5 MJ
Silicon Mine M
Silkworm Missile Factory
Solar Power Plant M
Space Jewellery L
Space Jewellery M
Tempest Missile Factory
Thunderbolt Missile Factory
Tornado Missile Factory
Typhoon Missile Factory
Wasp Missile Factory

3 Nodes:
Advanced Satellite Factory
Bio Gas Factory M
BoFu Chemical Lab L
BoFu Chemical Lab M
Chelt Space Aquarium L
Chelt Space Aquarium M
Computer Plant
Headquarters
Massom Mill L
Ore Mine L
Plankton Farm L
Quantum Tube Fab
Rastar Refinery M
Rimes Fact L
Rimes Fact M
SQUASH Mine Factory
Satellite Factory
Silicon Mine L
Solar Power Plant L
Solar Power Plant M
Solar Power Plant XL
Soyery L
Soyery M
Soyfarm L
Space Fuel Distillery L
Space Fuel Distillery M
Stott Mixery L
Stott Mixery M
Sun oil refinery L
Teladianium foundry L
Teladianium foundry M
Terracorp Nividium Mine M
Weapon Component Factory
Wheat Farm L
Wheat Farm M

4 Nodes:
Sun oil refinery M

-Scott

EagleBP · Post by **EagleBP** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 09:20

Very good topic. Now I can plan my complexes! Good job!

jlehtone · Post by **jlehtone** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 09:25

Awesome

spcutler · Post by **spcutler** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 09:38

Thanks!

BTW, I verified that the Sun oil refinery M does in fact have 4 nodes. So if you've got the spare cash and need more nodes, you can sprinkle a few of these around the complex, and add a net 2 nodes each. Not a bad deal for about 1M...

-Scott

Incubi · Post by **Incubi** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 09:41

crystal fabs M have more than 2 nodes. its three I think maybe 4 but definantly more than 2. There is at least 1 on one end ( then end I connect it to a spp ) and at least 2 on the back end.

spcutler · Post by **spcutler** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 09:56

Are you certain that all the nodes work, Incubi? I just looked in the game and although you are correct that there are 4 visible nodes (3 on one end, 1 on the other), I looked at a half-dozen complexes, most of them of reasonable size, and not a single one had a crystal fab with more than 2 connections to it.

Maybe it's just a coincidence, but what I'm guessing is that you may see 4 nodes but only 2 are "hooked up". Of course, if you have evidence to the contrary I'd love to hear it...

-Scott

jlehtone · Post by **jlehtone** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 09:57

spcutler wrote:So if you've got the spare cash and need more nodes, you can sprinkle a few of these around the complex, and add a net 2 nodes each. Not a bad deal for about 1M...

True, but they will not produce. If you add a Flower farm, you are back to net 1 for the pair, unless you add 2 * Flower L + 5 * Refinery M.

Btw, you can condense the list even further:
[HEPT|PAC|PPC|IRE|PSG|PBE]s, instead of alpha, beta and gamma separately.
Shields, instead of 1MJ, 5MJ, ... 10GJ

However, some people need things spelled out.

spcutler · Post by **spcutler** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 10:00

True, but they will not produce.

That's fine by me. In fact, it's better since unless I have a particular use for them (input to a different fab), I'd rather they just sit there and not consume energy.

Of course, ideally there would be a kind of "hub" fab that did nothing but sit there and increase your number of nodes. But this is the next best thing, I think.

-Scott

jlehtone · Post by **jlehtone** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 10:06

Incubi wrote:crystal fabs M have more than 2 nodes. its three I think maybe 4 but definantly more than 2.

Do you mean that you see 4 shapes similar to nodes? The 3D model may very well have such 'textures' around, but the game probably looks at the same data file entries as Scott.

Your eyes can deceive you. Use the force.

I agree with the nonproductive use. However, I can imagine half of the universe map blinking yellow.

spcutler · Post by **spcutler** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 10:13

Ha, half my map already blinks yellow. Usually due to my own laziness in waiting for primary products to fill up before connecting final product fabs. I suppose I could fill them up manually, but like I said... lazy

.

-Scott

General Dave · Post by **General Dave** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 10:34

The Crystal fabs do only have two nodes, but which of the three modelled nodes does it use ?

small complex

This is my old SPPXL complex from ages ago, and all of the bottom left fabs are Crystal Fabs.

When I was building some extra factories into this complex I noticed that the tube network would not link from the crystal Fabs.

In this picture, my all conquering GPPC/Gj shield complex shows that the tubing network will not link to more than two nodes on the crystal fabs.

large complex

(Sorry about the action shot, I couldn't resist

)

Geggo · Post by **Geggo** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 10:40

GENERAL DAVE wrote:(Sorry about the action shot, I couldn't resist )

It's better that some one makes a fiction killer rather than we speculate for 10 pages.

Incubi · Post by **Incubi** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 10:54

GENERAL DAVE wrote:The Crystal fabs do only have two nodes, but which of the three modelled nodes does it use ?

[ external image ]

This is my old SPPXL complex from ages ago, and all of the bottom left fabs are Crystal Fabs.

When I was building some extra factories into this complex I noticed that the tube network would not link from the crystal Fabs.

In this picture, my all conquering GPPC/Gj shield complex shows that the tubing network will not link to more than two nodes on the crystal fabs.

[ external image ]

(Sorry about the action shot, I couldn't resist )

Well that explaims the mystery. I was wondering why it only used 2 of the three modelled nodes

I guess the two nodes in the back are to close to eachother to use both

thanks for clearing that up. I kept thinking it was just a game oddity that caused it to link some things to further away nodes. How cruel to model nodes that not functional lol.

Incubi · Post by **Incubi** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 12:37

This looks like a good reason to use 2 L spp in stead of 1 xl or even 3 m spp instead of 1 L. I allready decided to use 3 L spp in Brennans triumph instead of an xl and a m anyway, now I have another reason too

I noticed that not connecting a silicon mine to a complex works out just fine if its set to 0 zero jumps and buy and sell for same price as main complex. How well does this work if I expand on the concept and make multiple mini complexes rather than 1 large one, useing cheap mercuries as go betweens? Such as the spp plant with the fabs and the food that just it needs, then another complex for the commercial goods, another complex ( or multiple ) for end user weapons and shields, and finaly another for the food needs. I havent tried that yet, have not decided if it would just end up as messy as one large one.

Its a shame the flower farms are 1 node, this may as well drop the sun oil refinery to a 3 node in practicle use. Oh well.

General Dave · Post by **General Dave** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 20:14

It's better that some one makes a fiction killer rather than we speculate for 10 pages.

It's a shot taken from my fleet (1 titan, 1Raptor + 39M3 sentinal +24 M4 Split ships + 1 Python)

They are currenntly idling in the first Khaak sector after my python wiped the floor with every ship in the sector.

The complex is in Rhonkars clouds, accessed through the sector map.

Its a real action shot of a Khaak M5 (straggler) being sent to meet his freinds by a beta flak artillery array....

jlehtone · Post by **jlehtone** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 21:10

Incubi wrote:Its a shame the flower farms are 1 node, this may as well drop the sun oil refinery to a 3 node in practicle use. Oh well.

Depends. As I said earlier 2L+5M is still some. Two Flower L are effectively -2. Five Refinery Ms are +10. That is still +8 net gain. Compare that to 10 units of food made by Cattle+Cahoona combinations. They give +0 additional free nodes. How do people do Argon complexes anyway?

Phoenix Arisen · Post by **Phoenix Arisen** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 21:37

Brilliant topic, wish this had been here a few days ago while I was making my first big complex, took me about 4 hours to get the 7 weapon facilities properly connected :'( (5 AHEPTS and 2 APACS). I had never thought that they would only have one node and now the whole thing is a big mess lol.

Oh well, better luck next time, great job on the list!

Incubi · Post by **Incubi** » Wed, 1. Feb 06, 21:42

jlehtone wrote:
Incubi wrote:Its a shame the flower farms are 1 node, this may as well drop the sun oil refinery to a 3 node in practicle use. Oh well.
Depends. As I said earlier 2L+5M is still some. Two Flower L are effectively -2. Five Refinery Ms are +10. That is still +8 net gain. Compare that to 10 units of food made by Cattle+Cahoona combinations. They give +0 additional free nodes. How do people do Argon complexes anyway?

with wheat farms and spacefuel. And a strong security to prevent the guys loading ships with aheps from doing so intoxicated

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