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Re: A Few Suggestions

Post by andysonofbob » Tue, 10. Jan 06, 08:42

bschipp wrote:Something about playing a Night Elf and finding matching armor occupies her for hours.

Regards,
Brad

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA I loved that!

My misses cant handle the mouse / keyboard combos needed for such games and gets frustrated by trying to battle with the controls - sigh

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Post by foxd0nut » Tue, 10. Jan 06, 10:35

Ah man, you guys have it pretty lucky.

I would (half gladly) give up X3 for a girlfriend. I only wish I had the skill to get one. :cry: Damn. Then again, getting a girlfriend can't be nearly as difficult as gaining the race rep needed to buy a freaking Paranid Zeus. :evil:

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Post by Kurios Kronou » Tue, 10. Jan 06, 11:44

camp3r wrote:Ah man, you guys have it pretty lucky.

I would (half gladly) give up X3 for a girlfriend. I only wish I had the skill to get one. :cry: Damn. Then again, getting a girlfriend can't be nearly as difficult as gaining the race rep needed to buy a freaking Paranid Zeus. :evil:
I am sure that a Meyers-Briggs course could help you there too!

As Twelvefield pointed out, it does not give you a solution but gives you a vocabulary to use - then at least you can appear understanding and empathetic!

BTW, what's the bets that if G Morgan did the test the result would be Extorverted Sensate Thinking Judging (ESTJ for short)...!?

[G Morgan, please Google the result and check it out if you feel offended, that is not my intention :wink: ]

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Post by big biff » Tue, 10. Jan 06, 12:59

:arrow: :cry: do you also suffer from can i have a brew syndrumn as well. i have cosidered pluging the kettle into my u.s.b port AS I AM ALWAYS BEING PESTERED TO MAKE THE DRINKS!!!!!!
BAD DOG, GET DOWN..

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Post by andysonofbob » Tue, 10. Jan 06, 13:59

Kurios Kronou wrote:
camp3r wrote:Ah man, you guys have it pretty lucky.

I would (half gladly) give up X3 for a girlfriend. I only wish I had the skill to get one. :cry: Damn. Then again, getting a girlfriend can't be nearly as difficult as gaining the race rep needed to buy a freaking Paranid Zeus. :evil:
I am sure that a Meyers-Briggs course could help you there too!

As Twelvefield pointed out, it does not give you a solution but gives you a vocabulary to use - then at least you can appear understanding and empathetic!

BTW, what's the bets that if G Morgan did the test the result would be Extorverted Sensate Thinking Judging (ESTJ for short)...!?

[G Morgan, please Google the result and check it out if you feel offended, that is not my intention :wink: ]
NO!!

Any form of classification beyond the obvious troubles me greatly. It implies that the author has studied each of their characteristics and sees them in that % of the population.

example

1 - Say we have 10 main classes with a further 10 subdivisions

thats 100 different people. Your telling me that with the diversity of folk there are only 100 different types of people


2 - say we now have 10000 different potential classes of people.

Your telling me the good 'doctor' will have the ability to sample enough of each trait to define each with confidence?


3 - Some where in the middle say 5000

meh, the amount of different traits its getting close to being palatable... but i am not sure the 'doctor' would have had enough of a sample base to be able to classify each with confidence. I would like to see a curve, with R2 detailed so i can imagine the scatter.

Each of the above are equally risible if you ask me.

I take G Morgans point about the physics of the brain very seriously. When i studied philosphy we covered the ID, obviously the brain was discussed in much detail. If i remember rightly some of the neuron pathways are so tiny that the sometimes queer quantum rules start to apply. I thought neurons where quite an important part of our thought processes and if quantum THEORY is still being debated by out brightest sparks I dont see what hope love doctors have

To be honest if you want to score with the ladies and vice versa look to the past. At the most and very basic - birds want some-one that can provide and blokes want something that can breed. As long as the genes look as though they are functioning normally that is fine.

Ugly, older blokes have been able to get fit birds because they can provide and at the end of the day *most* women find their blokes and manage to reproduce. I apreciate this sounds very sexist but please look at how long we as a species have been around and how we have tended to do things.

We have had 'love doctors' from the year dot and we are still miles from finding the secrets of the oposite sex.

In my humble observations the toughest time for unattached males is between say 13 - 25. Beyond this it gets easier as there are more single ladies around. So no worries single people.

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Post by Tymi » Tue, 10. Jan 06, 14:17

Wow, who'd have thought a quick post bitchin' about my wife eating into my game time would have built into a discussion about Jungian psycology, Myers-Briggs personality types and the physics of the brain!
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Post by G Morgan » Tue, 10. Jan 06, 16:57

Kurios Kronou wrote:
camp3r wrote:Ah man, you guys have it pretty lucky.

I would (half gladly) give up X3 for a girlfriend. I only wish I had the skill to get one. :cry: Damn. Then again, getting a girlfriend can't be nearly as difficult as gaining the race rep needed to buy a freaking Paranid Zeus. :evil:
I am sure that a Meyers-Briggs course could help you there too!

As Twelvefield pointed out, it does not give you a solution but gives you a vocabulary to use - then at least you can appear understanding and empathetic!

BTW, what's the bets that if G Morgan did the test the result would be Extorverted Sensate Thinking Judging (ESTJ for short)...!?

[G Morgan, please Google the result and check it out if you feel offended, that is not my intention :wink: ]
Tryed Googling it but all the results were of people other people considered ESTJ rather than telling me what it is. Considering the fact that I didn't know any of the people mentioned and attempt to avoid relativism whenever possible (obviously not including GR but thats different to relativism in terms of description of character traits) I would prefer a site which gives terminology rather than one that tells me Harry Truman was a ESTJ.

Anyway (while I still contend that an abstract field based on a complex and little understood model can have only limited scope and usually will only include things you already know yourself) if anyone has a link to a decent site on the topic I'd be grateful.

EDIT- I've just found and done an online test. However it basically asked the same 7 question set about 10 times worded differently. I ascribe this particular test (if not the theory in general) to have the value of Astrology. You certainly can't tell much from essentially 7 questions. Didn't come out ESTJ though and most of the characteristics were moderate rather than any strong inclination to a strong trait.

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Psychological Testing

Post by bvschipper » Tue, 10. Jan 06, 19:31

G Morgan,

These types of tests are not available online. To have access and administer this type of test requires being licensed or credentialed to do so. Psychology is indeed a science (defined by the adherence or disregard for the "Scientific Method"), but is certainly misapplied by self-help gurus and pop culture.

Interesting fact: On the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) there is a question that is a good predictor of depression, it reads "I like to tease animals" (yes, I know that is not a question). If you answer "Yes" you are apparently not depressed. Accordingly, if you answer "No" you may want to consult your psychiatrist.

Psychology can be funny... poor little Albert!

Regards,
Brad

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Post by G Morgan » Tue, 10. Jan 06, 19:43

Surely the definition of Science is a practice that produces theories based upon testable principles using evidence from repeatable experiments. Fail to see any of this in most fields that consider themselves science (in fact very little Biology actually follows this path with more exceptions than rules in most cases).

If this isn't the definition of Science (being a Physicist I would claim that it is) then Science itself is irrelevant because the first sentence of this post is entirely the reason Science has credibility. Its testability, self criticism and the ability to change that makes Science so robust but it also needs to do this following a set pattern.

Establishing what happens is simple phenomonolgy its when you start to get into reasons why which tie many phenomonons together that it becomes science (so that you can apply Occams Razor, another cornerstone of science).

Not to say that there isn't use for non-scientific fields (by my definition) but I get very touchy when some things get called science with little or no evidence when Physicists need mountains of figures before their ideas are usually considered (mainly because any good theory would produce mountains of evidence).

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Post by Master Merchant » Tue, 10. Jan 06, 19:56

I'm wondering how many of your wives are reading this forum and finding out about your little games 8) .

Also as far as that 2:1 ratio for people-person versus isolationalist. I gain stregnth in both I can interact with people (though I still can't tell a girl how i feel because i'm too GD bashful..that and i swear once too often for my liking) though i can (and have) gone hours without interaction.

Records (Timed via nearest time-telling insterment)
Doom 3 18 hours (3 rest stops)
AoE 2 19 hours 2 minutes.
X3 Record 12 hours (then got took a break to tell my family Happy New Years)
Doom 2 25 hours (I'm never gonna be able to do that again [done at age 8 on a sunday/monday then going to school] wasn't good idea)

And I look back and wonder...if I had gotten a GF how my time would have changed....and what game I'd start her with...
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Post by Kurios Kronou » Tue, 10. Jan 06, 21:00

G Morgan wrote: Tryed Googling it but all the results were of people other people considered ESTJ rather than telling me what it is. Considering the fact that I didn't know any of the people mentioned and attempt to avoid relativism whenever possible (obviously not including GR but thats different to relativism in terms of description of character traits) I would prefer a site which gives terminology rather than one that tells me Harry Truman was a ESTJ.

Anyway (while I still contend that an abstract field based on a complex and little understood model can have only limited scope and usually will only include things you already know yourself) if anyone has a link to a decent site on the topic I'd be grateful.

EDIT- I've just found and done an online test. However it basically asked the same 7 question set about 10 times worded differently. I ascribe this particular test (if not the theory in general) to have the value of Astrology. You certainly can't tell much from essentially 7 questions. Didn't come out ESTJ though and most of the characteristics were moderate rather than any strong inclination to a strong trait.
Well done for trying to find out. Most folk wouldn't bother.

I am sorry the test you did was a bit pants - the questions can be a bit repetitive, but should not be so much as you'd really notice. The point of the questions is to expose the subtle shifts in response - sometimes it is better to look at the definitions and see how well they describe your preferences. The key work here is preferences, not classifications...but more on that later.

My ESTJ comment was a bit tongue in cheek, actually (as, for the record, was my comment to camp3r). There is no way I can know that, as I don't know you well enough (obviously). ESTJ folk (if I remember correctly) typically have little time for this kind of apparently subjective, naval gazing stuff .

Gosh, I could go on for ages, but I won't. Two things I do want to say though:

First, anyone with a healthy suspicion of 'personality typing' is quite justified in being so. As has been said, there is a lot of garbage out there (most of which comes as corporate training courses) - way to simplistic, unhealthy and damaging to folk forced to do it. MBTI (and I suspect a few others) doesn't fall into that category. While it is true that Jung's theories were just theories, with an almost insignificant amount of genuine research, MBTI is a well manages application of his thinking. It (seemingly) has an enormous research base, which is tightly controlled in order to ensure its accuracy (hence the difficulty in getting hold of a proper test). Also, it is not 'science' by your definition - its is more akin to statistical research.

Secondly, the 'classifications' are more descriptions of preference, and they exist on a continuum. There are four sets of dipoles: Extrovert-Introvert, Sensate-Intuition, Thinking-Feeling, Perceiving-Judging (the last one is poorly named in my view, as it is confusing). As AndySonOfBob rightly points out, there are not just sixteen classes of people, but each person can describe their preferred behaviour (which, of course may vary with context - work or home, for example) as lying at some point along each of these four dipoles.

The brain is a complex thing, as is the personality of the individual. They can be modelled and analysed, but never fully understood. Any decent psychologist or councillor would tell you that. MBTI is an attempt to understand why and how we are different, and how we can relate together with better understanding.

Anyway, here are some web sites to look at:

http://www.myersbriggs.org/ - Smiley faces and the usual corporate stuff.

http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/tt/t-ar ... -simpl.htm - Some helpful definitions (including ESTJ etc.)

http://skepdic.com/myersb.html - A sceptical view of MBTI. Healthy to have the other point of view and, after a brief read though, this one seems well argued.

Enjoy!

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Post by G Morgan » Wed, 11. Jan 06, 00:04

I think scepticism is one of the most healthy things there is as long as it is well argued and not simply the denial of something because of belief rather than through thought.

Personally I'm sceptical of a lot of things including much in what I'd consider my own field/s. I have a tendancy to need to understand almost everything to a greater degree and sometimes that can annoy people because I argue on occassion with people in their field (had a great argument with a doctor about CT scans before but as a physicist I suppose I probably knew more about the effect of radiation than he knew specialisation in the medical field being what it is).

I find its important to understand, in any topic, whether you are dealing with an expert or somebody with just enough lingo to convince the layman. The only way I will trust most experts is in their methodology, usually if they talk for a bit and you ask a question and they refuse to give you an answer that isn't direct (or pretend to be indignant about it, what would you know sort of thing) you can usually guarrentee the guys talking nonsense. Best example, head down to a non PC dedicated electronic shop (Comet in the UK) and try to talk to one of their guys about computers, had a hard time trying to find out if comet had an IDE ribbon cable on sale once.

Anyway we've come a long way from the start of this post. So to tie that in, if I was a girl (will probably do this the other way around, go on the offensive so to speak) and I asked a bloke how he feels about commitment/marriage I'd want details. A person who has thought about a topic for only 30 minutes will usually have a whole list of questions and answers. If you get a blank stare at that point it likely says it all.

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Post by Twelvefield » Wed, 11. Jan 06, 01:16

I don't know about that. I'm more of the "journey is it's own reward" camp, and so is Mrs. Twelvefield. If I have to ask those kind of questions expecting answers, or if I feel compelled to make those kind of answers in a relationship, then either I am doing something wrong, or I am about to step on a Relationship Land Mine (tm). That's not to say that finding out about your partner's relationship goals isn't important, because it's crucial, I just feel that the way to those answers is through the process of the relationship, and not a product of it.

I'm not saying I'm right/you're wrong here. Just that my system is different from yours, and I wouldn't have the first idea on how to make your system work for me, at least in the long run.

Of course, in the short run, there's lot's of sure-fire formulae for success: to get her attention: try booze (in moderation), lots of good open-ended questions, and the occasional non-extravagant reasonably creative cute gift. Work out regularly, too. To get his attention: Find out his name, or look at him from across a crowded room, or simply more or less continue to live in the same national region as he does. Short skirts are nice, and so is booze (in moderation). Do stuff like that, and you don't need to worry too much about the mechanics of the relationship for at least the initial phase.

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Post by G Morgan » Wed, 11. Jan 06, 01:33

Twelvefield wrote:Work out regularly, too. To get his attention: Find out his name, or look at him from across a crowded room, or simply more or less continue to live in the same national region as he does. Short skirts are nice, and so is booze (in moderation). Do stuff like that, and you don't need to worry too much about the mechanics of the relationship for at least the initial phase.
Grrrr, had intended this year. The biggest crime in my life is how 7 years playing rugby has counted for naught because last year I did so little exercise it wasn't even funny, my waist is 6 inches larger than it was this time last year and its annoying. Anyway had planned on training regularly but my training partners fiance become pregnant again (this is what stopped me last year, overactive womb) and thats scuppered until I can find a new training partner. Would probably train if I asked him but he gets into enough trouble as it is.

Amazing thing is out of 16 people who have trained regularly with me at some point in my life no-one is available (half have g/f's who pressurise them out of spending time with anything that looks like a friend) to ensure I don't drop a 175kg bar on my chest. So its going to be a massive search finding somebody both strong enough to keep up, free and interested in helping me shed about a million pounds.

Agree about the comparison between how to get involved as a girl and as a boy. Girl: walk into the room, Boy: cripple yourself through massive amounts of exercise then you may have a small chance.

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Post by Kurios Kronou » Wed, 11. Jan 06, 01:54

G Morgan wrote:
Twelvefield wrote:Work out regularly, too.
Grrrr, had intended this year. The biggest crime in my life is how 7 years playing rugby has counted for naught because last year I did so little exercise it wasn't even funny, my waist is 6 inches larger than it was this time last year and its annoying.
Ha! my waist size went up dramatically when I turned 30. Nothing to do with diet, exercise, stuff like that - it was just age. Now I am nearing 40 I am hoping I don't end up like Homer Simpson...!
G Morgan wrote: Agree about the comparison between how to get involved as a girl and as a boy. Girl: walk into the room, Boy: cripple yourself through massive amounts of exercise then you may have a small chance.
How to write a successful dating website:
1. Get a list of girls on a database - preferably pretty - but then there is no accounting for taste!
2. Attract more girls with community issues (like celeb gossip, clothes , shoes, etc...)
3. use a pink colour scheme, with lots of hearts and other tat.
4. The blokes just come in, 'cause that is where the women are!

I used to own a software company developing sites for folk, and the number of business plans for dating sites that ran (roughly) on those lines was, well...shocking!

See, human nature - big complex thinking organ controlled by gonads. :roll:

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Post by G Morgan » Wed, 11. Jan 06, 02:00

I know a girl who uses one (Meetic I believe its called). The site works on a basic premise, Men pay the girls don't. Result (at least theoretically) huge Female population and limited Male population meaning the ones that pay are always likely to find what they want. Of course none of this takes into account theres a perfectly good pub/club etc down the road and that there are free sites/services on the web that do something similar. Not to mention that the girls are likely to be annoyed that there are not enough men on the site to make it effective for them.

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Post by SMDutro » Sat, 18. Mar 06, 18:47

So is she your wife or your mother? it sounds to me as if you have a BAD case of the PW syndrome. Play the game

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Post by beach07 » Sat, 18. Mar 06, 18:58

Al wrote:Best advice I can give is develop insomnia. Gave me 11 years of having plenty of time for girlfriends, pub and gaming.....its amazing how short your day is when the you sleep for 9 hours.

Makes me think I'm missing out on stuff these days ;)

Al

Could you REALLY develop that? that wud be awesome!!!

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Post by The Rogue Trader » Tue, 21. Mar 06, 00:38

I took my copy to work and loaded it there. Now instaed of doing foot patrols at my place of work I play X3 and watch the cctv monitors. (I'm a security guard so a twelve hour shift consists of almost 12 hours of uninterrupted X3).

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Post by JMCorp » Tue, 21. Mar 06, 01:36

apricotslice wrote:Try to get her to develop her own interests that take her out of the house for an entire and very late evening. Especially interests where you will not be welcome at.
yeah, like hanging out at her best friend's house screwing around with the horse hung guy that lives upstairs!

trust me on this one, she's more important than the game. but if you must game, get her a computer and hooked on games like ESD did :) my ex likes the sims and AoE 2. she hated the computer while we were together.

and just FYI, it is possible to spend too much time on the computer.

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