[X3LU] Mayhem 3.21b

[Joubarbe]

@aurelcourt: You probably have some auto-assignment on.

@hickok44: Since the beginning of Mayhem 3, only CCDS are meant to defend you against incoming missiles. Such an expensive equipment should have a real impact on your strategy, that's why I've removed all Missile Defence turret commands. However, I wasn't aware that missiles got shot down massively by lasers, and not only the enemy lasers, but also friendly fire. The Let's Play of Hector made me realize that, and he comes with a solution that I didn't know to make missiles invulnerable (except to chaffs). So basically this change is for consistency. The change involves a catalog file edit, so there won't be any simple switch to revert it.

[Betelgeuse97]

@hickok44: Since the beginning of Mayhem 3, only CCDS are meant to defend you against incoming missiles. Such an expensive equipment should have a real impact on your strategy, that's why I've removed all Missile Defence turret commands. However, I wasn't aware that missiles got shot down massively by lasers, and not only the enemy lasers, but also friendly fire. The Let's Play of Hector made me realize that, and he comes with a solution that I didn't know to make missiles invulnerable (except to chaffs). So basically this change is for consistency. The change involves a catalog file edit, so there won't be any simple switch to revert it.

Speaking of missiles, is there (or will there be) a way to use CCDS so that 1 ship can protect its fighters (or fleet) against missiles?

[aurelcourt]

@aurelcourt: You probably have some auto-assignment on.

Correct !

I found a workaround by saving the logistics preset of the outpost and then deleting all jobs, then the agents would follow orders Once the threat was managed, I reloaded the logistics preset.

But I'll try to remove auto-assign next time yes, thank you !

[aurelcourt]

I noticed something weird :
- I built a new outpost
- configured it with auto-assign traders
- ordered (2+3)=5 traders with a template, homebased to that new outpost

The first 2 traders built got the template and a "return home" command. I guess they would then be auto-assigned as traders.

The next 3 got immediately assigned as traders and started "working", even though the template was not fully ready for 2 of them (waiting for crystal delivery).

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So that's 2 weird observations : why are the first 2 not immediately auto assigned? And why don't the last 3 wait for template before flying off?

[Hector0x]

However, I wasn't aware that missiles got shot down massively by lasers, and not only the enemy lasers, but also friendly fire.

Don't want to spread bad vibes here, but this missle hull change may make NPC missles annoying and overpowered.

My missle rebalance brings 3 main buffs:
- disabled friendly fire (invincible missles)
- lower chaff effectiveness
- much lower missle cost

But it also introduces 3 important nerfs which all lead to lower overall missle damage:
- small and medium ships can't fire high damage torpedos
- only 30-50% of all NPC ships even carry missles
- missles have lower range. They get fired later (less missles fired per battle)

[Joubarbe]

@Betelgeuse97: M8s do that. EDIT: Actually they can't in the current version, I will restore the Missile Defence turret command for M8.

@Hector0x: It makes no sense to be able to kill a missile by mistake, and not have a proper Missile Defence turret command. Missiles are very powerful yes, but also very expensive and heavy. It's pretty easy to hunt them down with an M8, which is probably the most useless ship class right now. With that change, they become a bit more useful.

[Joubarbe]

Mayhem 3.7 released

Remember to finish all your boarding operations before updating, the whole data structure is reset.

[Joubarbe]

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So that's 2 weird observations : why are the first 2 not immediately auto assigned? And why don't the last 3 wait for template before flying off?

Free will. That's how good I am as a programmer.

[Betelgeuse97]

@Betelgeuse97: M8s do that. EDIT: Actually they can't in the current version, I will restore the Missile Defence turret command for M8.

Guess it's time for me to change my no research challenge to a 1 research station only challenge (for the M8 only). Thanks!

[4square425]

However, I wasn't aware that missiles got shot down massively by lasers, and not only the enemy lasers, but also friendly fire.

Don't want to spread bad vibes here, but this missle hull change may make NPC missles annoying and overpowered.

My missle rebalance brings 3 main buffs:
- disabled friendly fire (invincible missles)
- lower chaff effectiveness
- much lower missle cost

But it also introduces 3 important nerfs which all lead to lower overall missle damage:
- small and medium ships can't fire high damage torpedos
- only 30-50% of all NPC ships even carry missles
- missles have lower range. They get fired later (less missles fired per battle)

I did notice an immediate change to the game once updating to 3.7 with the missile damage.

I've started terraforming and saved midway through one of the Maelstroms. The OCV wave consists of about 2 M7s, 6 M6s, and numerous fighters. My fleet consisted of 7 M1s, 2 M2s, and 6 M7s, plus several hundred fighters.

Fighting one wave in 3.6 caused a fair amount of fighter losses, but no capital ships destroyed. The next wave in 3.7 (identical OCV composition) took out four of my M7s, one M1, and one M2 with higher fighter losses. All my capital ships had CCDS (Mk 2) and 100 chaff.

I know the OCV are supposed to be super tough, but I really underestimated how many missiles were being destroyed by laser fire from before. I wonder if CCDS Mk 3 will be necessary going forward, which is much more difficult to obtain.

[hickok44]

@aurelcourt: You probably have some auto-assignment on.

@hickok44: Since the beginning of Mayhem 3, only CCDS are meant to defend you against incoming missiles. Such an expensive equipment should have a real impact on your strategy, that's why I've removed all Missile Defence turret commands. However, I wasn't aware that missiles got shot down massively by lasers, and not only the enemy lasers, but also friendly fire. The Let's Play of Hector made me realize that, and he comes with a solution that I didn't know to make missiles invulnerable (except to chaffs). So basically this change is for consistency. The change involves a catalog file edit, so there won't be any simple switch to revert it.

I see, I understand now, thank you.

[Joubarbe]

3.7b released.

Changes about invulnerable missiles are cancelled. There's something better to do with all that, and it would take too much time right now.

[aurelcourt]

Hi,

Don't know what's happening but my logistics menu of 1 of my outposts is going crazy and is unusable... (Emperor's Mines)

Just updated to 3.7b from 3.6, took a bit of time to realize, don't know if it can have anything to do with the update...


Save + Galaxy for a potential troubleshooting?


Cheers!
Aurélien

[Joubarbe]

The Agents -> Read Jobs menu, right? To me, only the Emperor’s Mine’s outpost works, the other ones don’t. Flickering.

[aurelcourt]

Priest Refuge yes sorry, indeed flickering ! Didn't try the other 2

[Joubarbe]

Mayhem 3.7c released

Flickering menus fixed (Menu.GetAgentsOnJob). Also added 'EXPERIMENTAL' keyword to the Prologue gamestart description, and shorten the tooltips about galaxy size in the galaxy generator to avoid any confusion.

[aurelcourt]

Cool thanks, will try that !
EDIT : no more flickering indeed


Other question : is there a way to not auto rename/color Couriers when updating their route and restarting the command?

I looked in the Global Ship Rename menu but it only offers the option for Outpost Agents/Traders...

[aksonometrya]

Sorry for the stupid question, is there any Kha'aks in Mayhem 3? In the description it is written about Hive queens, but in the encyclopedia I did not find their mention

[Betelgeuse97]

Sorry for the stupid question, is there any Kha'aks in Mayhem 3? In the description it is written about Hive queens, but in the encyclopedia I did not find their mention

The encyclopedia starts with only ships you can research. There are kha'ak ships (only the hive queen), but that comes around once every in-game day.

[Betelgeuse97]

More bugs!

Looks like the boarding operation starts by listing all the rooms and tasks; an avid reader can use this to cheat in the boarding operation by knowing what to do given that information. This looks like debug messages that shouldn't be shown:


Also, I'm on 3.7c and I notice that missiles are still not destroyed by lasers even though they should've been in 3.7b.
Save (same galaxy as before): https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... ZGOfduljn6

There's about 50-60 enemy ships there and that should be enough to test missiles.