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Post by DrBullwinkle » Mon, 29. Apr 13, 01:04

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Post by quantum36 » Mon, 29. Apr 13, 01:22

thanks bullwinkle.


I got it to work


only thing that sucks is only one ship in the entire galaxy has a jump beacon.

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Post by DrBullwinkle » Mon, 29. Apr 13, 01:23

Yes, jump beacons are rare.

Check again later. There will be more. Not many -- but they will appear from time to time.

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Post by quantum36 » Mon, 29. Apr 13, 04:10

have you ever considered making a script that would generate jump beacons.

It would make sense if you could have them manufactured aboard your valhalla. But they would only work for a period of time and then self destruct.

With that script you would also have to have resources aboard the valhalla to manufacter one.

I think there should be something like this because honestly what good is a valhalla if you need a uber rare device in order to move it.

I would think that the Terrans who designed it would have had a lot more common sense. Then what the game is imposing in order to move this juggernaut

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Post by DrBullwinkle » Mon, 29. Apr 13, 05:13

quantum36 wrote:what good is a valhalla if you need a uber rare device in order to move it?
Well, really, "What good is a Valhalla?" ;)

Valhalla looks great on paper, but is really just a big target in-game. Woden is twice the ship. Try it.

For jumping, try Beacon Jump. It appears to be perfect for the Valhalla (although I have not tried it).

You might also try Ringless Gate Mod {Vanilla Safe}. I don't know whether that would allow you to jump your Valhalla normally but it is worth a try.

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Post by joelR » Thu, 2. May 13, 06:12

DrBullwinkle,

Would it be possible for you to have the ship dock at the nearest station or homebase when its done repairing? That would be really useful!

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Post by DrBullwinkle » Thu, 2. May 13, 06:44

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Post by DrBullwinkle » Thu, 2. May 13, 08:02

joelR wrote:
DrBullwinkle wrote:What do you want to accomplish and why?
This is using the "repair ship" or repair ships in sector" command.

After the repairship is done repairing it would dock at its homebase or the nearest station. This way it just doesn't sit in the sector like a derp.
Oh, you had the right thread the first time... I did not understand which script you meant.

The Repair Ship command is a command that you only use occasionally (typically on one or two ships). I think it makes sense for it to be a manual command, which you would follow with another manual command, right?

Repair Ships in Sector is a bit different. I can see how a default command might be convenient after it. But, really, which command? Flying to a safe station is a dangerous choice for a ship with no engine tunings or shields, and it is messy to have ships scattered around the universe. It is better that they remain where they are, so that whatever defenses you put in place can guard them.

How about loading repaired ships onto a carrier so that you can take them wherever you want them to go?

Similarly to SCS, Repair Ships in Sector could dock repaired ships. An Aran would be a particularly good Mobile Repair Ship -- add some marines, Repair Ships in Sector command, and SCS and you could handle any situation; including on-the-job training.

Also, I think that a more common use of Repair Ships in Sector is to use it in your HQ sector. Any ship you send to that sector gets repaired automatically. In that case, leaving the ships where they are is probably the best thing to do with them; until the player can decide what he/she wants to do.

Have I missed any use cases (ways of using the script)?

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Post by joelR » Thu, 2. May 13, 08:19

DrBullwinkle wrote:
joelR wrote:
DrBullwinkle wrote:What do you want to accomplish and why?
This is using the "repair ship" or repair ships in sector" command.

After the repairship is done repairing it would dock at its homebase or the nearest station. This way it just doesn't sit in the sector like a derp.
Oh, you had the right thread the first time... I did not understand which script you meant.

The Repair Ship command is a command that you only use occasionally (typically on one or two ships). I think it makes sense for it to be a manual command, which you would follow with another manual command, right?

Repair Ships in Sector is a bit different. I can see how a default command might be convenient after it. But, really, which command? Flying to a safe station is a dangerous choice for a ship with no engine tunings or shields, and it is messy to have ships scattered around the universe. It is better that they remain where they are, so that whatever defenses you put in place can guard them.

How about loading repaired ships onto a carrier so that you can take them wherever you want them to go?

Similarly to SCS, Repair Ships in Sector could dock repaired ships. An Aran would be a particularly good Mobile Repair Ship -- add some marines, Repair Ships in Sector command, and SCS and you could handle any situation; including on-the-job training.

Also, I think that a more common use of Repair Ships in Sector is to use it in your HQ sector. Any ship you send to that sector gets repaired automatically. In that case, leaving the ships where they are is probably the best thing to do with them; until the player can decide what he/she wants to do.

Have I missed any use cases (ways of using the script)?
What I mean is that the ship that is repairing docks somewhere, not the ship thats repaired.

To answer your question though:

I think its great as it is. Its an awesome addition to A.S.S./Dector.

Docking at a nearby ship or station isnt essential but isnt that what youre going to do anyhow?

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Post by DrBullwinkle » Thu, 2. May 13, 08:28

I see. You might have said that the first time (or two). ;)

I will consider it for the next version. Thank you for the suggestion.
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Post by DrBullwinkle » Thu, 2. May 13, 16:57

joelR wrote:I think its great as it is. Its an awesome addition to A.S.S./Dector.
Good; thank you.


Docking at a nearby ship or station isnt essential but isnt that what youre going to do anyhow?
Not always, no, and that causes a problem for the script: to figure out when to dock after repairing and when not to dock.

Repair Ships: Maybe you want to dock after repairing, or maybe you want to repair another ship?

Repair Ships in Sector: This is often run on a ship in the player's home sector. So, no, docking is not the right thing to do... continuing to wait for another ship is the right thing to do. Which is what the script does now.

The time when docking seems most obvious is when the player calls the repair ship to clean up after a battle, then wants the ship to return home. OK, returning home would be great here, but how does it know where "home" is, and how does it know when you want to wait for another ship or return home?

So I will give the problem some thought, but I do not have an easy solution off the top of my head. Best idea so far: If the repair ship has a homebase set, then return after repairing all ships in the sector. Otherwise, wait for another ship to repair.

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Post by joelR » Thu, 2. May 13, 17:16

Repair Ships: Maybe you want to dock after repairing, or maybe you want to repair another ship?

Repair Ships in Sector: This is often run on a ship in the player's home sector. So, no, docking is not the right thing to do... continuing to wait for another ship is the right thing to do. Which is what the script does now.
Those are good points. I hadn't considered that.

Best idea so far: If the repair ship has a homebase set, then return after repairing all ships in the sector. Otherwise, wait for another ship to repair.
This would be useful. Thats about the only time where it would make "sense" for the pilot to dock somewhere.

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Post by DrBullwinkle » Thu, 2. May 13, 17:26

joelR wrote:
Best idea so far: If the repair ship has a homebase set, then return after repairing all ships in the sector. Otherwise, wait for another ship to repair.
This would be useful. Thats about the only time where it would make "sense" for the pilot to dock somewhere.
OK, that is something that I can do.

Thanks for the suggestion, joelR.

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Post by joelR » Thu, 2. May 13, 17:28

OK, that is something that I can do.

Thanks for the suggestion, joelR.
Awesome. You're alright Drbullwinkle :P

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Post by d_ka » Sun, 5. May 13, 17:24

Hi, Dr.B

Since i´ve installed your hacked version of Improved Boarding ( by Cycrow ) i have had an enormous amount of fun ( 17 boardings, wich brought me lots of new cool ships, or cash ). So far for the feedback, and thanks a lot!

Now, not all my boarding operations were succesfull ( well, actually only 2 of 17, if you count the first test ride with no chances for success ). The last one was an OTAS ship ( Intelligence Service, XRM, so it even sounded plausible that i met a worthy oponents ), and i was quite surprised, because my troopers have managed to get to the central core...and then failed. It was no frustration at all in this, but a thought came to my mind: Would it be possible ( under specific circumstances ) to let your marines deploy a "C4" as a "good buy gift", and let the target ship detonate? ( i have had to destroy the ship anyway ).
Just a random idea, which could spice up the things? May be? :)

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