[MOD] Ship Rebalance Mod ver 0.59 [30/08/2009] + 2 COCKPIT PACKS + Alkeena's BSD!!!!

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Post by Gazz » Sun, 17. May 09, 14:09

someone else wrote:Anyways... I have no idea on how to implement the feature... :D
(I have yet to begin my scripting career)
That is a typical case for an AL Plugin.
These carry their own "uninstall" with them because if you turn it off under gameplay, all objects / scripts that it uses can self-destruct / exit peacefully if they routinely check that flag.
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Post by MutantDwarf » Thu, 21. May 09, 03:52

Do remember that if you want to give something missile turrets, you need to remove all of its front guns. It makes me very sad:(

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Post by someone else » Thu, 21. May 09, 12:24

why removing front guns? :?

anyways...
for the future we will have M6 that:
-fight like big fighters, so are more nimble but have not much turrets (probably standard M6, but not all)
-fight like small Capitals, so are not a lot nimble and have most of the firepower in turrets, and bigger shields (probably M6H, but not all)
-fight like small M7M (I thought of Teladi ones, they are clumsy and slow even after the rebalance... this will spice them up a bit)
-do something odd (probably the Heavy Hydra)
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Post by MutantDwarf » Fri, 22. May 09, 02:36

You need to remove front guns in order to give something a missile turret due to the way missile turrets are set up - they're just turrets with no weapons in them. However, if you set up a turret with no guns in it then it automatically uses the front guns as the turret guns.

The only way to give a ship a missile turret is to make it so it has no front guns whatsoever.

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Post by Gazz » Fri, 22. May 09, 08:55

Is that a problem? An M6 with like an 8x front turret could be interesting, too. =)
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Post by Doc Quixotic » Sun, 24. May 09, 18:36

Would there be any way to fix the M8's? Although they are fine when used by the player, AI bombers seem to function horribly. The main problem seems to be that they don't fire nearly enough missles. I doubt it'll be easy to fix the source, but we might be able to treat the symptoms. During the second world war, several air forces experimented with anti-tank guns built into planes for ground attack purposes. A similar approach could give bombers some punch versus capital ships...

Also, looking through the M4+ designs in the Model Viewer, it seems the Kite is in need of an update. It is slow, turns like a brick, has a horribly small M cargo bay and it has no redeeming features. It is supposed to be a quick but more heavily armed variant of the Buzzard, but the only difference is 6m/s and the ability to deploy more missles. They would have been better off had they stuck to the bbuzzard Vanguard.

EDIT:
Wow... taking a look at the Kite Vanguard, I'm shocked and amazed. Not only does it go significantly faster, it also steers better, carries L cargo, has twice the laser generator and five times the shielding... how's that for sore eyes.
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Post by someone else » Mon, 25. May 09, 02:18

Would there be any way to fix the M8's? Although they are fine when used by the player, AI bombers seem to function horribly.
yep. but that is an AI problem... scripters can easily do that... i'm not good at scripting (for now), I think Gazz fixed that with MARS.

for the "cure", yeah, I've been thinking of things like that, but would be a M9 class ship, a REAL bomber, not a smaller cousin of a M7M.

for the Kite/Kite vanguard... I made some improvements already, but I'll see what I can do... :D

maybe you can try some of the new ships.... and see how they perform in a xenon sector... :D
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Post by Gazz » Mon, 25. May 09, 23:36

FYI:

It does work without adding turret "models" but not the way I said. (Hey! Don't believe everything you hear! =)


Works: (creates 8 individual bullets)
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Does not work: (only creates 4 bullets)
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So that's how Idunnit last time. Been a while...
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Post by someone else » Tue, 26. May 09, 10:56

I did the last one but the bullets were "merged", only one visible per barrel but damage dealt to my "dummy" (my Ray) and energy used by the ship were ok.
I think I've missed something.... :?

anyways, I'll use that method, if the bullets can be seen the thing is cooler.
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Post by Gazz » Tue, 26. May 09, 12:04

I tried it the "wrong" way and got 4x damage, then the "right" way and got 8x damage.
Very visible result.
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Post by someone else » Tue, 26. May 09, 12:13

version 0.0.3 is out!

now xenons and Kaaks are more dangerous, Teladi ships have a Teladized cargo hold, turrets have been fixed.


still need some feedback... :D
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Post by Doc Quixotic » Tue, 26. May 09, 14:02

You'll have some as soon as I'm running a clean install again - I noticed just yesterday that Cerberus in my game was able to mount PPC in several turrents... I have no idea what else was screwed up :S
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Post by someone else » Tue, 26. May 09, 15:30

in my mod? that is strange... I don't see any PPC installable on Cerberus... hope that my fixes have fixed that thing too.

p.s. To see real difference from Vanilla to Modded ships you need to spawn a new one using cheats (or buy a new one)... I've not found a way to do that updating in a automatic way... if a experienced scripter can do that... :D
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Post by Doc Quixotic » Tue, 26. May 09, 15:32

No, not your mod. I haven;t installed it yet. But apparently one of the (few) scripts I use has some side-issues.
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Post by MutantDwarf » Tue, 26. May 09, 17:31

What changes actually require you to destroy and respawn ships in order to see the new stats? As far as I know, the only thing that requires that is if you alter docking points or, possibly, add gun turrets. Most of the other stats should be automatically figured in no matter if they're old or not.

Changes in gun layouts and cargo space require you to remove all the ships guns and then add default wares to the ship again, but you don't need to actually destroy the ship to do that.

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