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Re: Israel War

Post by fiksal » Tue, 9. Jan 24, 14:04

notaterran wrote:
Mon, 8. Jan 24, 01:27
Don't conflate protesting Israel's war crimes with anti-Semitism. Just don't do that. Crimes against Jewish people are not ok, but boycotting a hypothetical business that supports Israel's war crimes is definitely a valid form of protest: protesting with our wallets.
that's an interesting thought. How does one do that without standing right next to anti-Semitics.

Same for these demonstrations for free Palestine, it's not like many are holding signs to free hostages and capture Hamas the same time. None that I briefly saw perhaps?
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Re: Israel War

Post by Falcrack » Tue, 9. Jan 24, 15:57

notaterran wrote:
Mon, 8. Jan 24, 01:27
You can't defend Israel's war crimes just like a Russian couldn't defend Russia's war crimes. Israel doesn't have the moral high ground, just like Russia. Bombing refugee camps... only a psychopath would find that necessary or justifiable. You're defending the indefensible.
Israel does indeed have a higher moral ground than Russia, since Russia's invasion of Ukraine was not preceeded by Ukraine killing thousands of Russians and taking hundreds hostage. And no, the hostilities between 2014 and 2022 don't count, because that was also instigated by Russia, and was just Ukraine defending itself.

As to bombing refugees camps, if Hamas fighters are taking refuge in refugee camps and using them as a base of operations, then there can be some justification for bombing them.

But I do think that Israel is unwise to pursue a course of revenge, and that this will turn out very badly for them. Imagine if instead of immediately taking revenge, Israel had instead mourned the loss of their citizens and not struck back? World sympathy would be on the side of Israel. Now, they are quickly losing friends and making stronger enemies.

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Re: Israel War

Post by fiksal » Mon, 22. Jan 24, 13:43

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... jects-deal
Hamas official says ‘no chance’ hostages will return to Israel after Netanyahu rejects deal
The prime minister said he rejected the terms of a deal which included Israel’s complete withdrawal from Gaza

A Hamas official, Sami Abu Zuhri, told Reuters the Israeli prime minister’s refusal to end the military offensive in Gaza “means there is no chance for the return of the [Israeli] captives”, which are estimated to be 130 in number.

Netanyahu is facing mounting pressure to secure the release the hostages, but said in a statement that the Hamas demands included “the withdrawal of our forces from Gaza, the release of all the murderers and rapists … and leaving Hamas intact.”
Some deal that is.
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Re: Israel War

Post by mr.WHO » Thu, 1. Feb 24, 21:05

Interesting move on US side:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68173904

This, plus recent info that Kuwait delivered a lot of ex-Soviet design tanks for Ukraine make me think "the big flip" is more and more possible - Israel fliping to pro-Russian camp and Arabs fliping to pro-US camp.

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Re: Israel War

Post by fiksal » Fri, 2. Feb 24, 14:29

That will leave Iran and Hamas pretty sad
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