GPU Upgrade or wait?

[Falcrack]

I think 3060 Ti is best value for the money. I got it and am very happy with mine. It replaced a 1060 6 GB card that worked fine, but could not adequately power my VR headset (Quest 2).

I never buy the super top of the line stuff, I find that spending the extra money tends to deliver only marginal gains for a lot more cost. Plus extra hidden costs like the need to buy a top line PSU to power the beefy GPU, and extra electricity costs.

[burger1]

Hi Folks
Hope y'all getting along ok

Graphics Cards!....I also just took a peek at a few prices as I'm still gaming on my MSI GeForce GTX1060 3 GB

Geforce 2060 roughly around the £300 mark, 3060Ti about £450, 3080 £750-£800, and the 3090 over £1000...(I'm starting to feel faint just looking at the prices).

I think my desktop computer gaming is sadly coming to it's end, just amazed at how expensive everything is nowadays.
Do modern games look and play much better than they did 5 years ago?....well, what I mean is to warrant the current prices of GPU's.....and possibly other hardware.
Ah well, times change
Edit...

Any suggestions or just wait for the 4060 ?

Win the lottery, then buy the 4060!


Oldman

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

Most people still have some sort of 1060 gpu. Lots of people have ~equivalent cards or even older cards. Over 40%? Might make it more likely that developers still keep mid/lower end cards in mind when developing games. Can usually play around with settings to get games to run at 1080p 60 fps. There's also other stuff to help games run better.

4000 series might be delayed due to oversupply of 3000 series and lower cards? Lower tier 4000 tier cards might be released after the 4090, 4080?

[Oldman]

Hi Falcrack

I find that spending the extra money tends to deliver only marginal gains for a lot more cost. Plus extra hidden costs like the need to buy a top line PSU to power the beefy GPU, and extra electricity costs.

...I've got a Corsair HX 850 W in one Comp. plus a Corsair AX 850 in the other. Are these PSW's still powerful enough for GPU cards like the 3060ti's and possibly the 4000's ?
(I'm toying with building up another computer, I can use the same case (Coolermaster Haf X) maybe the PSU's, but I'm looking at a new motherboard (maybe Intel), new ram and CPU. present CPU is i5-3570K).


Oldman

[Falcrack]

Hi Falcrack

I find that spending the extra money tends to deliver only marginal gains for a lot more cost. Plus extra hidden costs like the need to buy a top line PSU to power the beefy GPU, and extra electricity costs.

...I've got a Corsair HX 850 W in one Comp. plus a Corsair AX 850 in the other. Are these PSW's still powerful enough for GPU cards like the 3060ti's and possibly the 4000's ?
(I'm toying with building up another computer, I can use the same case (Coolermaster Haf X) maybe the PSU's, but I'm looking at a new motherboard (maybe Intel), new ram and CPU. present CPU is i5-3570K).


Oldman

My PC, which was prebuilt, came with a 650W PSU , i512600K and 3060 Ti. I've not had any problems.

[burger1]

Hi Falcrack

I find that spending the extra money tends to deliver only marginal gains for a lot more cost. Plus extra hidden costs like the need to buy a top line PSU to power the beefy GPU, and extra electricity costs.

...I've got a Corsair HX 850 W in one Comp. plus a Corsair AX 850 in the other. Are these PSW's still powerful enough for GPU cards like the 3060ti's and possibly the 4000's ?
(I'm toying with building up another computer, I can use the same case (Coolermaster Haf X) maybe the PSU's, but I'm looking at a new motherboard (maybe Intel), new ram and CPU. present CPU is i5-3570K).


Oldman

850w should be fine. I think the power spikes with the 3000 series was the only concern.

The new components seem to use a lot more power and the cpu might need more cooling if you are running the cpu under stress.

There's also the cpu ihs (integrated heatsink) warping/cooling (?) issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYU1OskbY-Q

You might also have to upgrade your cooler. Quite a few of the cpus pull 230W under artificial load. Much less when gaming. If you do video editing via the cpu it might effect you. Can undervolt a bit also to save power and produce less heat. Lga 1700 has different cpu cooler mounting holes. Some mainboards have 2 sets of holes so can avoid that and you could also buy an adapter bracket if needed. ~$7 usd or free?

If leaks are true the raptor lake intel cpus might receive a benefit from more expensive ddr5 vs ddr4. Release date/announcement might be Oct 17, 2022. 700 series mainboards might be a bit different? Already talks about ddr6 and even windows 12. Might end up being a mess.

[Oldman]

Hi

If leaks are true the raptor lake intel cpus might receive a benefit from more expensive ddr5 vs ddr4. Release date/announcement might be Oct 17, 2022. 700 series mainboards might be a bit different? Already talks about ddr6 and even windows 12. Might end up being a mess.

Ye gods! Windows 12?....I obviously can't run Windows 11 at the moment due to my hardware, I mean, how long ago did microsoft release windows 11?..it can't be more than 3 years ago?
Seems like Microsoft have a 'deal' with hardware manufacturers, CPU's and motherboard company's...if you get my drift.
I'll have to have a look at what's going on with Windows 12, I don't for one minute suspect Windows 12 will mean a change in CPU's or perhaps other hardware. (I'm being sarcastic here )
What did microsoft say (or hint) some years ago that windows 10 was going to be the last OS, and it would just need updates?....(I might have misunderstood this at the time, but I'm pretty sure that that was talked about).
Anyway, seems like some in depth 'investigation' is what I need to do before I even think of 'upgrading' at the moment imo.
Edit..
Well didn't take long to find this out!....

July 16, 2022
Microsoft announces the release date of Windows 12. July 16, 2022 by archyde. stated Reports A new journalist reported that the American company, Microsoft, plans to make the Windows operating system updates cycle for 3 years. according to what Mention Microsoft’s new periodic plan to release future Windows updates indicates that it is likely that the new version of Windows 12 will arrive by 2024, when it will have been 3 years since the launch of Windows 11.

Thought so.


Oldman

[pjknibbs]

Ye gods! Windows 12?....I obviously can't run Windows 11 at the moment due to my hardware, I mean, how long ago did microsoft release windows 11?..it can't be more than 3 years ago?

It was only about a year ago--June 2021.

[felter]

Windows 11 has been a colossal failure, the last I heard there were more computers still using Win XP than there were with Win 11 installed, and that was only a few months back. It is one of the lowest used operating systems, I think there are more Linux users than win 11 users. So I'm not surprised that they are going to do a win 12, and maybe they will get it right this time.

[jlehtone]

Seems like Microsoft have a 'deal' with hardware manufacturers, CPU's and motherboard company's...if you get my drift.

Red Hat did release RHEL 9 last May*. The RHEL 9 requires that CPU supports "x86_64-v2 microarchitecture". The specs of "x86_64-v2" RH did decide with hardware manufacturers. CPU's with those features did first appear in about 2008. (They did consider to include AVX in the list, which AMD adopted around 2015.) What and why are quite open on that side.

RHEL supposedly does have three year release cadence too (RHEL 8 in 2019, RHEL 9 in 2022, RHEL 10 in ?), and each version is supported ten years. Is Microsoft really different?


* RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux)

[Oldman]

Hi matey!

It was only about a year ago--June 2021.

Oh dear, I'm sure I'm getting senile, time flies with some things, on the other hand sometimes I feel like I'm walking in treacle.
Right!...so it wasn't that long ago. I dunno, I'm really getting a low opinion of Microsoft, and to be quite honest I'm also getting a bit fed up with the 'modern technology'.
It's all about money basically, isn't it.
More important, I hope you're at least feeling reasonably ok, I do scan the forums here occasionally so I do kinda know what's going on. ....I do think about you sometimes.

Windows 11 has been a colossal failure, the last I heard there were more computers still using Win XP than there were with Win 11 installed, and that was only a few months back. It is one of the lowest used operating systems, I think there are more Linux users than win 11 users. So I'm not surprised that they are going to do a win 12, and maybe they will get it right this time.

Now that really surprises me!

If leaks are true the raptor lake intel cpus might receive a benefit from more expensive ddr5 vs ddr4. Release date/announcement might be Oct 17, 2022. 700 series mainboards might be a bit different? Already talks about ddr6 and even windows 12. Might end up being a mess.

Yep, it's a right old mess, at one time everything computer related I'd got a fair idea of what was 'current' for want of a better word, now?....I'm starting to get utterly confused.
Oh well.

Oldman

[X2-Illuminatus]

Windows 11 has been a colossal failure, the last I heard there were more computers still using Win XP than there were with Win 11 installed, and that was only a few months back. It is one of the lowest used operating systems, I think there are more Linux users than win 11 users. So I'm not surprised that they are going to do a win 12, and maybe they will get it right this time.

This is not true. pcworld.com: No, Windows XP is not more popular than Windows 11

These stories are based on the latest report from a company called Lansweeper. The data was collected to promote the company’s Windows 11 migration services. According to the report from April 4th, approximately 80 percent of all Windows machines are running Windows 10, with 2 percent on Windows 8, 5 percent on Windows 7, and a little over 9 percent running various flavors of Windows Server. Now for the juicy comparison: while 1.71 percent of machines surveyed with Lansweeper’s methodology were running some version of Windows XP, just 1.44 percent had upgraded to Windows 11. Six months after a major operating system release, it’s a pretty damning metric.

But is it a fair one? As illustrated by the huge chunk of Lansweeper’s results reporting Windows Server, it’s heavily skewed towards IT and other industrial machines. Machines that don’t typically represent a single “user,” either in a home or corporate sense. Penny-pinching corporations are infamous for being hesitant to upgrade almost anything if it’s still working, even if their IT departments (and Microsoft) are begging them to do so. I’d wager a few bucks that the stand-alone job processing workstation I used at my first printshop job is still running Windows XP. But that doesn’t really represent someone browsing PCWorld on a daily basis.