Russia-Ukraine War

[chew-ie]

S.P.E.C.I.A.L. ahahaha

[Warenwolf]

Would it be better if Putin was calling the shots in Europe?

Moot point, with NS1+2 destroyed we'll never know.

There are four other pipeline systems capable of transporting oil and gas from Russia to Europe. How do you think oil was transported to Europe from Russia before 2011? In buckets with bicycle?

And there are plenty of those in European politics on far right and left who favor Putin. Beside there being truckload of other methods Putin can influence politics on the continent...

So my question to Ego_Aut is very relevant - would Europe be better of if Putin was calling the shots in Europe?

[Sovereign01]

This video seems applicable right now.

[burger1]

This video seems applicable right now.

Matches their crazy annexation speech and Putin while giving it. He might be a bit distressed and unhinged. Probably has some stresses from reality.

12.3 Billion more aid to Ukraine from US. Canada giving more aid also. Lend lease still to start up in October? Production of some stuff to greatly increase by many multiples over time. Line ups of over 2 days at borders leaving Russia?

Germany's getting an official Ukraine training base.

https://www.dw.com/en/us-pentagon-plann ... a-63297386

the new command would report to General Christopher G. Cavoli, the top US officer in Europe, and would execute decisions made by the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, a 40-country coalition created by the Defense Department to help Ukraine.

Among other things, it would oversee the instruction of Ukrainian troops at training ranges in Germany in addition to coordinating technical support centers, such as those involved in repairing weapons provided by the US, in other countries, the report said.

[EGO_Aut]

Would it be better if Putin was calling the shots in Europe?

Moot point, with NS1+2 destroyed we'll never know.

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So my question to Ego_Aut is very relevant - would Europe be better of if Putin was calling the shots in Europe?

Just as America is not the US, neither is Europe the EU. Sovereign states should not differentiate themselves from others dictate what they must do.
Neither from US nor from EU and also not from RU. (Isn't that why there is a war in UKR?)

An attack on a country's infrastructure is a reason for war, and among allies a no-go that must at least be severely sanctioned.

[JSDD]

12.3 Billion more aid to Ukraine from US. Canada giving more aid also. Lend lease still to start up in October? Production of some stuff to greatly increase by many multiples over time. Line ups of over 2 days at borders leaving Russia?

whatZ the point of all of this?
gaZprom gonna make around 2x €41 billion profits this year ... half of that company belongs the russian state
=> this means € 41 billion for putin to play around a bit ...

how many smugglers can he hire to smuggle chips from taiwan to russia? how many tanks can he buy for that sum?
// note: a tank costs around 10 million ... so thats about 4.000 brand-new tankZ for those alleged child molesters (according to the ukrainian state)

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... rd-profits

yesterday, a convoy of civilians was attacked that tried to flee from zaporishia to russian occupied territory, around 50 dead people
guess what: ukrainians claim that russia is responsible, and the other way around ... some side has to lie ruthlessly without any bit of self-esteem left

which side do you think that is? ...
the side that allows those guyZ to right in their regular army
the side that allows foreigners to fight for them
the side that is hopelessly dependent on foreign money and material, and would collapse within two months without foreign aid
that side that alleged the enemy of being subhuman, of having violence built-in in their race, of raping children
that side that doesnt allow amnesty international to investigate in their country after words have been said that dont please them (ok, that looks like both sides )

?

gotta answer that for yourself, cuZ we'll never know for sure ... but i personally dont trust those ukrainian "angels" any longer (not a single word)

[EGO_Aut]

@JSDD
Every West Bot knows that the vodka-drinking Russian is as stupid as bread. That's why they prefer to shoot at themselves and civilians, seldom to hardly any infrastructure and run away from the enemy when he comes. In addition, they always lie as a matter of principle, and allegedly they stink inhumanly.

[jlehtone]

... some side has to lie ruthlessly without any bit of self-esteem left

There is no "has to". At least one side has full self-esteem while they lie ruthlessly. Possibly both.

[Warenwolf]

So my question to Ego_Aut is very relevant - would Europe be better of if Putin was calling the shots in Europe?

Just as America is not the US, neither is Europe the EU. Sovereign states should not differentiate themselves from others dictate what they must do.
Neither from US nor from EU and also not from RU. (Isn't that why there is a war in UKR?)

An attack on a country's infrastructure is a reason for war, and among allies a no-go that must at least be severely sanctioned.

Avoiding the answer is the answer in itself

[Warenwolf]

but i personally dont trust those ukrainian "angels" any longer (not a single word)

This from a guy that few pages ago claimed he doesn't care about Ukrainians and barely one month in the war was already frustrated that Ukraine did not surrender.

As to what you postulate in your post - why does Ukr needs to arrange airstrike on area it controls? There are so many other ways to do this without anyone being the wiser. On other Putin.... well, we know you don't hold him and his forces to same standards as that of Ukraine..

[CBJ]

Let's stick to the subject rather than discussing other posters, please.

[mr.WHO]

New Perun video analyzing Russian mobilization:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hXnQNU8ANo

[chew-ie]

Those poor souls getting sent to Ukraine or the newly acquired "russian soil". I really hope Ukraine army can carve through the eastern front fast. Russian conscripts can benefit from that if their only job is to stand guard on the original border between Russia and Ukraine for a few months until someone @russian gov finally stops this nonsense.

[Chips]

As for who profits most, apparently some here think the USA. But lets look at a few perspectives.

US fracking gas is in competition with cheap russian pipeline gas ...
// maybe "competition" is the wrong word here ... russian gas is 8x cheaper

the US attacked japan in the 19th century ... you know why?
=> their borders were closed for foreigners, including their companies ...that war was "US economic policy"

... as it is right now, and has been for the last couple of years ... what "interest" could the US have in the energy policy of a foreign continent ?
// dont make me laugh with that "energy security" argument ...
// in the eyes of the US, everything is about "security" ... national security means spying on merkels phone calls, even if merkel wasnt in US territory

and if it wasnt the US, then it was poland, they just finished themselves building a new pipeline to the north (some wiking country, dunno which .. )

Wow, so it's either USA or Poland. But definitely USA, they've got the reason - and they export gas via pipelines to Mexico and Canada but not Europe. Nor do they have the ships to do so at present.

Except if not, it's DEFINITELY Poland. Because they've got a reason.

And this is factual because you've said so. It's the only explanation. Must be true. There's NO other explanations.


Also, USA attacked Japan when?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_w ... ving_Japan

Do you mean USA imposed restrictions on Japan perhaps? Or you mean China?


By the way your continued use of capitalised Z at random opportunities to show support for the war of Russia on Ukraine, despite claiming to be from other countries in Europe itself, is pathetic when you claim you're merely trying to "open people's eyes to hypocrisy" and therefore do not support or condone either side But we all knew that anyway.

[Alan Phipps]

@ all: Please see CBJ's moderation just a few posts above. If this is consistently ignored then thread-locking and formal actions may well follow. Just discuss the topic content and not other posters.

[fiksal]

Z is considered a fascist symbology, just an fyi, in the context of Russian regime of course

[Sovereign01]

Z is considered a fascist symbology, just an fyi, in the context of Russian regime of course

It's known as a zwaztika for this reason.

[fiksal]

Z is considered a fascist symbology, just an fyi, in the context of Russian regime of course

It's known as a zwaztika for this reason.

that's a new word for me, has a ring to it

[chew-ie]

I know it from this / the comic version: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansi,_ ... e_Swastika

[Sovereign01]

Z is considered a fascist symbology, just an fyi, in the context of Russian regime of course

It's known as a zwaztika for this reason.

that's a new word for me, has a ring to it

New to me too, I only learned it when I looked up use of Z in that context earlier today.