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Posted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 10:28
by philip_hughes
Made a YouTube video with my daughter. She's trying to be a star. Good luck to her.

https://youtu.be/bVhQ_AMCtbg

If you are feeling generous, like it for her.

Posted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 11:10
by Tamina
(liked) :D

Posted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 11:36
by philip_hughes
Thank you :)

Posted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 13:05
by muppetts
Liked is great!

Posted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 16:02
by Redvers Ganderpoke
Excellent - For an instant I thought it was for me ;)

Posted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 21:57
by Morkonan
Lolz!

I don't 'tube. Next time I'm signed in to a google thing, I'll like. :)

PS - What brand of guitar? Couldn't really tell. (Yes, yet another guy that dabbles at banging away on a variety of guitars. Or, at least I used to.)

Posted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 23:24
by philip_hughes
Morkonan wrote:Lolz!

I don't 'tube. Next time I'm signed in to a google thing, I'll like. :)

PS - What brand of guitar? Couldn't really tell. (Yes, yet another guy that dabbles at banging away on a variety of guitars. Or, at least I used to.)
An Aussie brand called "maton". They have an extra wide fret board which makes them one of the most forgiving guitars i have ever played. That one only has a solid top but i love it to bits.

Posted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 23:57
by philip_hughes
Redvers Ganderpoke wrote:Excellent - For an instant I thought it was for me ;)
My quest to find your true identity has ended!

Posted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 00:00
by Morkonan
I had a now long-gone no-name sort of "lead acoustic" like that. It was neat. (got busted under bad circumstances :( )

There are some really cool classical acoustics you might like, which is basically that sort of style, except with nylon. Though, that's not always true, as I've seen some so-called "Spanish" acoustics with wide fretboards and standard-wound metal acoustic strings, which makes them a bit interesting to play.

ie: "Classical" style fretboard/guitar.

I've been thinking about taking it up again. All my guitars are probably long past their "use dates" though. Stored them in crappy places. I'm "almost there" in terms of going out guitar shopping. :)

Fun song, nice vid, stay happy! :)

Posted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 01:08
by philip_hughes
My guitar of choice is a Taylor. Sadly that got stolen.

Posted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 03:14
by silenced
For true youtube success it needs more boobies! ;) Sorry, but it's the ice cold truth.

So, philip, as a conclusion: you need to eat more and grow true manboobs! Then it will be a great success.

Posted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 05:27
by philip_hughes
I will help her all i can- short of boobies.

Posted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 07:51
by Morkonan
philip_hughes wrote:I will help her all i can..
Read over the initial post, reminded me of the purpose and your "helping."

Your a dad. Youtube is friggin nasty. I understand a young girl's desire for attention and recognition. Young guys like that too and I should know, since I was one. Once... I guess, I dunno, it's all kinda fuzzy.

But being a "star" on youtube is like standing in a pile of crap and getting acclaim from people that like staring at people standing in piles of crap. Youtube makes it easy for people to become celebrities. And, it shows. Anyway, enough lecturing. Just keep being a good father and never put yourself in the role of a "friend." Therein lies oblivion. (Weirdos all over the place. A dark jungle, for all the lights it has.)

Advice Section: :)

The camera is a person. It's not that thing you line up in front of to take a picture. It's not something you talk "to" it's something you talk "with." (In multiple ways, you're talking with and "with" the camera.)

Who is that person? It's the one person in the entire Universe that really, truly, wants to be there and experience whatever it is you want to give it. Do you want to make that person happy? Then, make 'em happy. Sad? Yup, got that covered. Concerned, frightened, joyous, anxious, whatever - It's a person.

In the vid, the camera is a "camera." It's like you're taking a picture for your family's Christmas card. You know the ones. They're ones that come every year with some crappy family pic that the family slaved over, made costumes for, got their dog to dress up in a tutu for. What happens to those? Only grandmothers like those, everyone else quietly throws them away when nobody else is looking so they don't have to make up an excuse why it's getting trashed. Don't worry, there will be another in the mail next year...

So, it's a person and it needs everything a person needs to enjoy the experience. Camera guys and the neighborhood director of photography make that happen. The sound guy helps too by providing cords for everyone to trip over. Lighting goons hold up reflectors because sweating is what everyone is supposed to do, right? Some makeup people slather goop around so the camera can see facial expressions. They get awards for this... Costume freaks babble about personality and give the actors the same damn stuff to wear, but with a new pair of socks that's supposed to make all the difference. Everyone agrees.

The writers are supposed to do something, too, but they're off getting stoned with the celebs in their trailers.

Anyway - The camera is a person. Look at the vid and decide what did that person "need" to get the best experience possible. Next time, make sure you provide that. Then, next time, cover a bit more. Next time, etc, ad nauseum.

Being a star - Be yourself. Everyone is star. That's the easy part. The only hard part is getting other people to look at them hard enough for long enough to realize that, hopefully with some "truth" showing through, somewhere. By that, I don't mean personal crap, I mean whatever is produced is "true" even if it's fiction. This vid has a lot of "true" in it and that's great. So, keep going with that, just increase the "production value" a bit by treating the camera right in all respects.

PS - For goodness sakes, never, ever, reveal any information, anywhere, about who and where this is taking place. Nothing. Nada. NEVER. No more real names, nothing in the background with any regional crap on it, use a masking service for ownership/access, never mention schools, anyone's proper name, etc. (Yeah, I'm a bit protective. Youtube is a pile of garbage with a microphone and camera.)

Posted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 13:31
by matthewfarmery
that was really good, just thought that the guitar was a bit on the loud side of things. Still your daughter was brilliant!!!

I would heed Morkonan advice, also some advice of my own.

The BBC world service did a feature on youtube, the the raise of sexual predators and the like, youtube has problems. (it not the only one) the problem with youtube is, while inappropriate videos can be removed at some speed, comments won't be. The report system just doesn't work, for example, if someone in the comments section asked a girl to do a hand-stand. and a user reports it, then the comment will not get removed. The other issue is, youtube has volunteer mods, but even their reporting of such comments don't get any special treatment. As a insider told the program, that there is a huge backlog of reported posts that still haven't been removed for months or longer.

I would be careful using youtube, and advise your daughter to be really careful. And if such comments do start appearing, (you never know) then don't expect those comments to be removed anytime soon. better maybe to close the channel and go somewhere else.

I would tell your daughter this, for her safety as well. Its a huge risk, while google is been very slow to act, so no idea when anything will change? but there is now pressure on these media sites to start doing something. But until they do get their heads out of the sand and start doing something. I will tell your daughter to ignore such comments, and make sure your also aware of them, and then go else where.

Sorry for been a bit off topic, but I thought I would share this, as I feel it's important info to share.

Posted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 14:30
by muppetts
Actually not to join in alarm but my best friend found that after his daughter (13) posted a you tube vid, which he approved, about a history lesson she liked of all things, he found 3 persistent posters asking for her details and then he found one had got her mobile number by posing as him. Same guy then turned up on her facebook and then (and this really was weird) in an instant chat for some 'my little pony game' she played on a handheld.

It was chilling and cops had zero interest.

he set up a meet in the end posing as his daughter and had a chat.

So much info out there but it was amazing how quickly they zero'd in

Posted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 17:47
by philip_hughes
Thanks for the advice.

1. She set up the camera and we will be working on a more professional setup. I also have a few more stage lights, I'll eventually have a decent record

2. I am in a difficult family position at the moment- I cannot necessarily stop her doing this, so i have opted to help her do it as safely as possible.

Posted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 18:44
by matthewfarmery
philip_hughes wrote:Thanks for the advice.

1. She set up the camera and we will be working on a more professional setup. I also have a few more stage lights, I'll eventually have a decent record

2. I am in a difficult family position at the moment- I cannot necessarily stop her doing this, so i have opted to help her do it as safely as possible.
I understand that, but both you and your daughter should be made fully aware of the risks, especially about inappropriate comments, as that is probably one of the most worrying aspects of using youtube at the moment, plus youtube not really doing much to correct the situation. I would talk to your daughter about this, so that is is aware of sexual predators and things what they might say. trust me when I say, this is a big issue, and you don't want your daughter to be caught up in this. close the channel before it starts to get out of hand.

forewarned is forearmed.

Posted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 20:15
by Morkonan
philip_hughes wrote:Thanks for the advice.

1. She set up the camera and we will be working on a more professional setup. I also have a few more stage lights, I'll eventually have a decent record

2. I am in a difficult family position at the moment- I cannot necessarily stop her doing this, so i have opted to help her do it as safely as possible.
Put some controls in place if they're available. I don't know if youtube has anything for parents. If they do, I'd be surprised.

You get it. People get concerned and overreact. It's probably just fine and will turn out well. But.... Damn this world is a dangerous place, ain't it?

I was just thinking about this earlier this week. Just the general risks for young people and the exposure to things they shouldn't be exposed to. There are "clubs/websites" for kids and there are, or used to be, programs for parents to block certain sites, restrict protocols, etc.

There should be a children's web. With plenty of stewards and monitors to watch for inappropriate things and, maybe, even to make sure the kids don't go overboard. Cyberbullying is a real thing and its devastating for young people who are desperately seeking to discover where they "belong" in their world. Unfortunately, the internet isn't the place that can be found, nor should it be.

Anywho, good luck! You have my sympathy and support, for what its worth. Any man trying to make his child's life better is worthy of both.

Velvet glove, iron fist. :)

Posted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 20:39
by matthewfarmery
Morkonan wrote:
philip_hughes wrote:Thanks for the advice.

1. She set up the camera and we will be working on a more professional setup. I also have a few more stage lights, I'll eventually have a decent record

2. I am in a difficult family position at the moment- I cannot necessarily stop her doing this, so i have opted to help her do it as safely as possible.
Put some controls in place if they're available. I don't know if youtube has anything for parents. If they do, I'd be surprised.

You get it. People get concerned and overreact. It's probably just fine and will turn out well. But.... Damn this world is a dangerous place, ain't it?

I was just thinking about this earlier this week. Just the general risks for young people and the exposure to things they shouldn't be exposed to. There are "clubs/websites" for kids and there are, or used to be, programs for parents to block certain sites, restrict protocols, etc.

There should be a children's web. With plenty of stewards and monitors to watch for inappropriate things and, maybe, even to make sure the kids don't go overboard. Cyberbullying is a real thing and its devastating for young people who are desperately seeking to discover where they "belong" in their world. Unfortunately, the internet isn't the place that can be found, nor should it be.

Anywho, good luck! You have my sympathy and support, for what its worth. Any man trying to make his child's life better is worthy of both.

Velvet glove, iron fist. :)
not sure if there are any controls, the problem is, what I said is a huge issue, the report system just doesn't work. Even mods reported posts don't get any special treatment or fast tracking. On the BBC program I mentioned, they reported some posts and three plus weeks later, the posts were still there. Only when then BBC made google aware of that, then google removed the said posts. That and inappropriate videos that get linked, and other issues. Google has been really slow to act.

which then doesn't really help at all, not when your a child and unaware of the dangers. Part of the problem are the parents themselves for not having much of a clue what happening on the web. But I think google should have had something in place a long time ago, before it really started to get out of hand. I think they are doing a trial in Australia about inappropriate content, but not sure on the exact details.

Still, until google gets their head from the sand, then children need to be told and made aware of the dangers.

otherwise, they might be caught up into something far, far nasty.

sorry for derailing the topic, but like I said, this is a risk that needs to be told, before you realise too late what is happening.

Posted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 21:52
by Morkonan
matthewfarmery wrote:...sorry for derailing the topic, but like I said, this is a risk that needs to be told, before you realise too late what is happening.
It's not a derail, IMO. It's worthy of discussion. I know that, for myself, I couldn't have avoided a warning. If "something happened", no matter how trivial seeming, well, I couldn't have stopped kicking myself in the head for not saying something.

This is a general issue with commercial social media sites. They're not in the business of making "Safe, friendly, value-added, social communities."

They're there to make money. The controls inherent in their system do two things - Make money as easily as possible and comply with whatever legal standards they must in order to keep making money as easily as possible. I don't have an issue with this as long as users are aware of it.

Anyway, it's a jungle out there. Sure, plenty of kids have positive experiences on the internet and we generally only hear about the really bad stories. Still... My natural inclination is to be as protective as possible, but there are few controls in place, anywhere, to extend a parent's capabilities to the arena where they are most necessary.

Hmmm... I have an idea.

Youtube has channels. It also has special channels. It has the capability to divide its members and to segregate videos.

OK, fine, use that. They should have a channel accessible only by logged in members and that is designed for kids. No commercials allowed. Vids are closely screened and youtube chaperones have easy controls to report/remove/flag videos and comments. The vids can't be seen without logging in and known proxies and other anonymous means are blocked. Parental controls and reports are included as part of a master-account. Certain targeted vids and channels dealing with education, general children's television, etc, are allowed as long as they are commercial free. Commercial children's shows would have to pass review before being allowed to participate.

No monetization model at all. Yeah, youtube wouldn't like that, but the good press they'd get for taking proactive action would be more than worth it. If it became too cumbersome, they could charge a small fee for master-accounts that could have up to xx number of channels.

The point - At some point, it's possible for a business's model to reach beyond mere commercial interests. Hopefully, every business is aware of its responsibility to its customer, but certain levels of impact can be reached where this becomes not just an ethical issue, but a moral one. When it gets to that point, the business has to act, IMO.