Star Wars - The Last Jedi (may contain spoilers)

[Ketraar]

Who the heck is Ben Shapiro? Also did you check the other Star Wars movies and how they performed in China? I guess not.

In any case, I find it amusing you are trying to convince some one to change their mind to dislike the movie or you're reaching for approval for not liking it yourself, both are odd tbh, but its OK if you didnt like it. Btw there are other movies, if you want I can give you a few suggestions.

MFG

Ketraar

[clakclak]

Ben Shapiro on The Last Jedi

In other news TLJ has failed miserably in China - it has suffered a 92% drop in screenings

Thats unprecedented.

Apparently where the power of the Star Wars Brand is less people watch it on its own merits-

And it fails on its own merits

I really don't get how people get the idea that it is a failing movie. It played in 1.27 billion US dollar. According to boxofficemojos.


According to Forbes it was the commercially most successful movie of 2017.

Wikipedia has the production budget listed as $200 million. That means it played in more than $1billion in earnings.

How is that failing?

If I made a $20 investment and I would get $120 back, than I would be ****** happy.

[Skism]

Who the heck is Ben Shapiro? Also did you check the other Star Wars movies and how they performed in China? I guess not.

In any case, I find it amusing you are trying to convince some one to change their mind to dislike the movie or you're reaching for approval for not liking it yourself, both are odd tbh, but its OK if you didnt like it. Btw there are other movies, if you want I can give you a few suggestions.

MFG

Ketraar

Why do I post about it?

Well ask yourself the same question why do you defend it?

As for why I post about it its because its a terrible ideologically biased movie that takes everything good about Star Wars and corrupts it.

Its also a bad movie that fails on its own merits and only sold because it has the power of the Star Wars Brand .

Oh and it has caused damage in more ways than I can easily type.

If you would like me to elaborate on that then I will

Ben Shapiro on The Last Jedi

In other news TLJ has failed miserably in China - it has suffered a 92% drop in screenings

Thats unprecedented.

Apparently where the power of the Star Wars Brand is less people watch it on its own merits-

And it fails on its own merits

I really don't get how people get the idea that it is a failing movie. It played in 1.27 billion US dollar. According to boxofficemojos.


According to Forbes it was the commercially most successful movie of 2017.

Wikipedia has the production budget listed as $200 million. That means it played in more than $1billion in earnings.

How is that failing?

If I made a $20 investment and I would get $120 back, than I would be ****** happy.

and this from Forbes too

It suffered the biggest sequel to sequel drop ever.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/fran ... ab=summary

Lets look at the numbers shall we?

Domestic:

Star Wars the Force Awakens: $936,662,225

TLJ: $594,902,305

Thats a pretty sharp drop.

And World Wide:


TFA: $2,058,662,225
TLJ: $1,268,302,078

International:

TFA Rank 4

All Time International Box Office $1,122,000,000

TLJ: Rank 29

All Time International Box Office 29 $673,399,773

Thats also a very sharp drop

And one final thing:

https://www.morningstar.com/news/dow-jo ... -jedi.html

Before exhibitors can begin screening "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" this December, they must first commit to a set of top-secret terms that numerous theater owners say are the most onerous they've ever seen. Disney will receive about 65% of ticket-sales revenue from the film, a new benchmark for a Hollywood studio. Disney is also requiring theaters to show the movie in their largest auditorium for at least four weeks.

So basically the drop we see earlier is even with them making unfair terms to make up the numbers.

Ignoring the terms carries an unusual penalty. If a theater violates any condition of the distribution agreement, Disney can charge it an additional 5%, bringing the studio's total haul to 70% of sales on a movie likely to gross more than $500 million at the domestic box office.

The case of "The Last Jedi" highlights a perpetual but growing tension between the business partners who bring movies to the public: studios and theaters. Negotiations between the two parties have grown pitched as Disney has become one of the most powerful studios in Hollywood and theaters have lost leverage as box-office sales fall. Box-office revenue is down 5% so far this year.

That dynamic has exhibitors across the country resigning themselves to a new condition of doing business: If you want to play Disney's blockbuster movies, get used to Disney's rules.

"They're in the most powerful position any studio has ever been in, maybe since MGM in the 1930s," said one film buyer.

Is it time to start looking at anti Trust laws?

The four-week hold in a theater's largest auditorium, meanwhile, has frustrated distribution executives at rival studios that also have major releases hitting theaters around Christmastime. Soon after the "Last Jedi" opens on Dec. 15, movies such as Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc.'s " Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle" and Twentieth Century Fox's "The Greatest Showman" will begin jockeying for screen times. Twentieth Century Fox's owner, 21st Century Fox Inc., and Wall Street Journal parent News Corp share common ownership.

So what we are dealing with here is in part a monopoly and an abusive one.

[Usenko]

Eh, whatever.

It was a fun movie, and worth a second watch.

[Golden_Gonads]

Apparently where the power of the Star Wars Brand is less people watch it on its own merits-

And it fails on its own merits

Would you go see the eighth film in a random foreign series without having seen the first seven? I wouldn't.


It's currently the tenth highest grossing film of all time and hasn't finished it's run yet. It'll probably hit ninth and almost certainly eighth before it's done.

[clakclak]

[...]

Ben Shapiro on The Last Jedi

In other news TLJ has failed miserably in China - it has suffered a 92% drop in screenings

Thats unprecedented.

Apparently where the power of the Star Wars Brand is less people watch it on its own merits-

And it fails on its own merits

I really don't get how people get the idea that it is a failing movie. It played in 1.27 billion US dollar. According to boxofficemojos.


According to Forbes it was the commercially most successful movie of 2017.

Wikipedia has the production budget listed as $200 million. That means it played in more than $1billion in earnings.

How is that failing?

If I made a $20 investment and I would get $120 back, than I would be ****** happy.

and this from Forbes too

It suffered the biggest sequel to sequel drop ever. [...]

Of course it did! TFA was the first Star since ten years. While for TLA it had only been one year since the last Star wars movie. When I went to watch it we were 8 people seeing it. 2 of those said that they did not like the original Star Wars movies but wanted to see this one because it was an Event. The hype for Episode 7 was different simply because it was the first Star Wars movie in quite some time.

[...]

https://www.morningstar.com/news/dow-jo ... -jedi.html

Before exhibitors can begin screening "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" this December, they must first commit to a set of top-secret terms that numerous theater owners say are the most onerous they've ever seen. Disney will receive about 65% of ticket-sales revenue from the film, a new benchmark for a Hollywood studio. Disney is also requiring theaters to show the movie in their largest auditorium for at least four weeks.

So basically the drop we see earlier is even with them making unfair terms to make up the numbers.

If we share 100€ between the two of us and I get 65%, than it still stays 100€. If I were to get 20%, than the total amount is still 100€.

Ignoring the terms carries an unusual penalty. If a theater violates any condition of the distribution agreement, Disney can charge it an additional 5%, bringing the studio's total haul to 70% of sales on a movie likely to gross more than $500 million at the domestic box office.

The case of "The Last Jedi" highlights a perpetual but growing tension between the business partners who bring movies to the public: studios and theaters. Negotiations between the two parties have grown pitched as Disney has become one of the most powerful studios in Hollywood and theaters have lost leverage as box-office sales fall. Box-office revenue is down 5% so far this year.

That dynamic has exhibitors across the country resigning themselves to a new condition of doing business: If you want to play Disney's blockbuster movies, get used to Disney's rules.

"They're in the most powerful position any studio has ever been in, maybe since MGM in the 1930s," said one film buyer.

Is it time to start looking at anti Trust laws?

The four-week hold in a theater's largest auditorium, meanwhile, has frustrated distribution executives at rival studios that also have major releases hitting theaters around Christmastime. Soon after the "Last Jedi" opens on Dec. 15, movies such as Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc.'s " Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle" and Twentieth Century Fox's "The Greatest Showman" will begin jockeying for screen times. Twentieth Century Fox's owner, 21st Century Fox Inc., and Wall Street Journal parent News Corp share common ownership.

So what we are dealing with here is in part a monopoly and an abusive one.

Holy shit Skism are you actually advoacting in favour of interfering with the free market? First we agree on something and now this. Did someone hack your account?

To answer your question. I am all for enforcing anti trust and anti cartel laws. If there is a problem with Disney unlawfully abusing their power I am certain one of their competitors will sue them eventually or their buisness will be looked into by whoever is responsiable for those types of stuff in the US. (Is it the Federal Trade Commission or United States Department of Justice or simply a court? I really don't know.)

[Antilogic]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/4 ... y-fan-edit

Found a version of TLJ even Skism can enjoy.

[clakclak]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/4 ... y-fan-edit

[...]

Sounds a bit like the plot of a gay porn:

"In a galaxy, where woman have become extinct, it is up to the man to pick up each others lightsabre and...."

Ok I guess I should stop. Don't wanna break any of the precious forum rules.

[Antilogic]

Sounds a bit like the plot of a gay porn:

"In a galaxy, where woman have become extinct, it is up to the man to pick up each others lightsabre and...."

Ok I guess I should stop. Don't wanna break any of the precious forum rules.

"Close your eyes."

"Now, reach out."

[clakclak]

Sounds a bit like the plot of a gay porn:

"In a galaxy, where woman have become extinct, it is up to the man to pick up each others lightsabre and...."

Ok I guess I should stop. Don't wanna break any of the precious forum rules.

"Close your eyes."

"Now, reach out."

Thanks for that one, I laughed pretty hard.

[Skism]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/4 ... y-fan-edit

[...]

Sounds a bit like the plot of a gay porn:

"In a galaxy, where woman have become extinct, it is up to the man to pick up each others lightsabre and...."

Ok I guess I should stop. Don't wanna break any of the precious forum rules.

Sounds a bit like the plot of a gay porn:

"In a galaxy, where woman have become extinct, it is up to the man to pick up each others lightsabre and...."

Ok I guess I should stop. Don't wanna break any of the precious forum rules.

"Close your eyes."

"Now, reach out."

Thanks for that one, I laughed pretty hard.

Disgusting.


You also are now implying I am a sexist for disliking the Mary Sue character of Rey

Never mind, that she is poorly written.

Never mind that plot convenience is all over the New Star Wars.

Never Mind that it is quite obviously pushing a political agenda.

Or the fact that they utterly murdered Lukes Character and motivations and utterly made Star Wars a lie.

No I'm sure its none of those reasons and its just that I don't like women and would prefer to watch one that does not have them in it!Sarc/

^Do you actually believe that seriously? Have you taken the time to figure out why people don't like this reprehensible film? Because I don't think you have.

It was a badly structured movie to boot.

If we share 100€ between the two of us and I get 65%, than it still stays 100€. If I were to get 20%, than the total amount is still 100€.

That was not my point - my point is that Disney is cheating and coercing Theater owners
THAT needs to stop - this is not censorship or interfering with the free market - it is allowing the Market to function again free from monopoly.

and Btw taking an extra 5% then taking an extra 5% in punishment for not showing a movie is objectively taking 10% of your cut.

As well as arguably artificially inflating the numbers for TLJ to make it look better

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/4 ... y-fan-edit

Found a version of TLJ even Skism can enjoy.

But no according to you its because I don't like women - so we are arriving straight back at roundabout accusations of misogyny.

Alongside Gay porn innuendos.

Well thats about all I expect from this forum these days really...

One last thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV6SeAogJ2s

The Chinese have dropped all screenings of TLJ

Well at least the Chinese have good sense.

Rogue One and TFA both did better In China

Thats all for today

Skism

[Antilogic]

Omg that was amazing. I need to frame this or something

[clakclak]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/4 ... y-fan-edit

[...]

Sounds a bit like the plot of a gay porn:

"In a galaxy, where woman have become extinct, it is up to the man to pick up each others lightsabre and...."

Ok I guess I should stop. Don't wanna break any of the precious forum rules.

Sounds a bit like the plot of a gay porn:

"In a galaxy, where woman have become extinct, it is up to the man to pick up each others lightsabre and...."

Ok I guess I should stop. Don't wanna break any of the precious forum rules.

"Close your eyes."

"Now, reach out."

Thanks for that one, I laughed pretty hard.

[...]

You also are now implying I am a sexist for disliking the Mary Sue character of Rey [...]

No I did not.

If you look closely you will see that I specifically left out the comment about you because I only wanted to comment on the link posted by Antilogic.

I will however say that you seem to push a sexist point of view if you think having female lead characters in movies equals having a political agenda.

[...]Have you taken the time to figure out why people don't like this reprehensible film?[...]

I don't have to "take time" to find it out. There are hundreds of good reasons why someone may not like the film, I just think the idea that it is a political propaganda piece is not one of those.

But are you able to understand why people may like it?

[Morkonan]

I think the last Star Wars movie I saw, was Return of the Jedi. Is The Force Awakens (2015) worth watching? If so, I may see if it's on YouTube. Thanks.

I fell asleep while watching it at the theater with my friends... I don't know if that helps you or not. To be completely honest, I don't know wtf the movie was about. There was some angsty teen dressed in black, some "little match girl" that was supposed to be heroic or something, a Stormtrooper dude that was the only real highlight of the movie that I can remember, and then there's Leia and Han, doing something, but I don't know wtf it was. I do remember the ending was infuriating, though. I don't remember if that's because I had to wake up and leave or if it had something to do with the stoy. Though, I can't say for sure that there's a story there.

PS - I do remember seeing this exact same Star Wars movie, though, back in the 70's, so I'm not quite sure if it was the new one or not.

[Ketraar]

PS - I do remember seeing this exact same Star Wars movie, though, back in the 70's, so I'm not quite sure if it was the new one or not.

Indeed its the "same" movie, even though I did enjoy it (for that nostalgia mostly). Which is why I find it funny that TLJ is being bashed for actually making different choices, I guess its in the same vein of "gimme X3 with better graphics" or any CoD rehash, which I cant relate at all as I do like new stuff that expands my horizon and gives me stuff I dint know I wanted.

MFG

Ketraar

[mrbadger]

I just watched it and enjoyed it. I thought about it afterwards, and yes there were a few issues, but nothing that'll stop me watching it again when I buy it on Blu Ray.

I'm a pretty serious Star Wars fan, have been since I first saw it at the cinema in 1977, but not so serious that I'll get all angry about it on the internet.

Yes there were flaws, but so what? You'd rather there were no movies at all? I wouldn't. The idea that the last Star Wars movies we got would be those prequels filled me with dread. Those I got irritated about.

And in spite of how many people are complaining, these new movies are making some serious coin. That alone indicates there is something right about them.

It amuses me that regardless of how many people there are shouting that the movies are awful, they are nonetheless wildly successful.

Times have changed. A movie like Empire Strikes back would probably bomb in theaters now. No matter that it remains a cinematic masterpiece. It was a near perfect movie when it was made, but they couldn't make another like it now.

[Antilogic]

An official good rez shot of the throne room fight. https://i.redd.it/84t727ime9b01.jpg

This fight made the movie for me really.

[mrbadger]

Yes, that was an epic scene.

[Usenko]

"The Perfect Movie" is a moving target. There are two unconscious caveats:

* Perfect considering the movie-making technology available.

* Perfect for the approaches to drama and story-building that are current.

[mrbadger]

* Perfect for the approaches to drama and story-building that are current.

Yes, and currently it seems that what made the old Star Wars movies so good is no longer what people want.

I'm sick and tired of these superhero movies, have been for some years. But I like all these new Star Wars Efforts, flaws and all. The flaws give us something to talk about.

The originals are packed with flaws too, I really like arguing about those at work.

I didn't much care for many of the Star Trek movies either, aside from 2 3 and 4 either, but the JJ Abrams reboot one I did like, even though it tore right through Star Trek Lore without a care.
I haven't liked any since that first one, but that's mostly because they had a chance to be completely original and didn't use it.

Sometimes I think that part of being a perfect movie is having issues that people can debate. Was Dekkard a Replicant? Was that voiceover detrimental to the movie? Was Quaid in a dream or not? Why would their eyes bulge out like that on the surface of Mars?
Was Luke just a whiny little kid who needed the crap scared out of him a few times to grow a pair?

Movies in SF seem to try and answer all the questions at the moment, it's not as interesting to watch a movie when they do that.