Star Wars - The Last Jedi (may contain spoilers)

philip_hughes · Post by **philip_hughes** » Sat, 23. Dec 17, 05:12

Yep good.

Luke portrayed correctly as a flawed man who nearly makes catastrophic choices, But pulls himself back at the last minute.

The admirals choice to fly her ships to oblivion undoes all the good work carri Fisher did in the 70s to promote good female characters. If one ship tracks, scatter!

The lessons learned about wasting the bomber fleet set up what's his face to become an awesome leader in future films.

Casino plot was boring but good because it was a fools errand

mr.WHO · Post by **mr.WHO** » Sat, 23. Dec 17, 17:44

Spoiler Alert.

Ok, so I went to the movie with very negative attitude (read the YT reviews and story spoilers) to confirm that Disney destroyed SW.
What is strange that I found out the movie was OK and I enjoyed it. It wasn't great and it did have a few very questionable scenes, but it rather nice build for upcoming trilogy finale.

The good:
- entire opening battle
- New ships: FO Dreadnought, rebel bombers, rebel ships, TIE Silencer
- The scenece where rebel cruiser jump into Supremacy (someone forgot to install a hyperspace intredictor onto that ship

)
- Kylo-Rey "mind conversations"
- Kylo "kill all the past" Ren
- all Rey lightsaber scenes
- fight with the red guard
- visual of salt planet battle (red mist everywhere)
- "Pragmatic" hacker - his every scene and every dialogue is so good! It's like a tribute to every person in history of SW galaxy stuck between sith/jedi, republic/empire conflict - basically giant F*** You! to both sides. I hope he made off the supremacy before it blew up:)

The bad:
- vice admiral Pink - they put her just to die and killed admiral Acbar off-screen? <TRIGERRED>
- Snoke death - so you make this musterious ulimate villan and you kill it like some random thug?
- Phasma death - same as above
- it looks every single "main" death in this episode is bad, but they didn't killed Leia? WTF?

- Rey parents are nobody
- all the galaxy surrendered to FO and ignored resistance call.
- entire resistance reduced to size that fit into Millenium Falcon
- ending scene - so we need to wait for a new generation of rebels to grew up?

The ugly:
- Leia "space superman" scene
- "milking" scene
- Luke death by fade to nothing
- Yoda CGI
- Why Supremacy didn't had hyperspace intredictors build in or as escorts?
- Why Supremacy didn't had any small escort at all ? you decided to chase bunch of mices with road roller.
- why they didn't just launched a swarm of fighters? Supremacy alone would probably had thousands of them.

Rating:
I'd say it 6.5/10

My personal thoughts:
- snoked killed too easy - I hope he "ressurect somehow" - Snoke said that he created Kylo-Rey connection and at the end they still have he connection, so this might indicate that Snoke is still alive.
- Phasma might survive - we didn't see the body, she fall into the sea of flame.
- Rey said that Kylo will turn to light, Kylo say that Rey will turn to dark - what if they both end up grey/ballanced to fight "resurected" Snoke? That would be epic.
- Kylo said that Rey parents are nobody, but he could lie or his vison could be Snokes' lie - still hope that Rey is Palpatine grandauther or reincarnation (would explain how Rey has natural connection to the dark side on Luke's island) - that would also fit nicely that she would "turn to the dark". This would also fit nice with Rey-Kylo pairing where Kylo is Vader descendant while Rey is Palpatine.

red assassin · Post by **red assassin** » Sat, 23. Dec 17, 18:36

mr.WHO wrote:- Yoda CGI

So bad, it wasn't CGI. Yoda was a puppet, as per the originals.

Antilogic · Post by **Antilogic** » Sat, 23. Dec 17, 19:16

- vice admiral Pink - they put her just to die and killed admiral Acbar off-screen? <TRIGERRED>

You want the internet after "Ackbar" did a "suicide attack"?

Post by **Tamina** » Wed, 27. Dec 17, 00:04

@mr.WHO
Completely agreeing with you. My friend fell asleep multiple times and I did nearly, too.
The only thing that makes this movie barely watchable is the Star Wars brand. They are going to milk it until it dies.

mr.WHO wrote:- Yoda CGI

I thought it was a nice fan service that they used the Yoda puppet from the original trilogy.

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Post by **Ketraar** » Wed, 27. Dec 17, 15:17

Tamina wrote:The only thing that makes this movie barely watchable is the Star Wars brand. They are going to milk it until it dies.

This qualifies as hyperbole, yes its not a masterpiece but its not boring at all, even the mentioned key-maker fetch quest is entertaining, even though it does not fit and feels out of place. I feel people should stop talking in extremes, unless they are Sith.

MFG

Ketraar

PS.: You should watch any of the Blade Runner then. (Spoiler they are both great movies)

Post by **Tamina** » Wed, 27. Dec 17, 16:53

Ketraar wrote:This qualifies as hyperbole, yes its not a masterpiece but its not boring at all, even the mentioned key-maker fetch quest is entertaining, even though it does not fit and feels out of place.

The movie has no closed story, it has neither a beginning nor an end nor any major conclusions, it just drags the story to the third movie and makes barely any progress to the overall story. I wouldn't be surprised if in Episode 42 the Rebels are still fleeing from Sith Master 17 and his apprentice Vader-Copy 13.
Every moment that builds up in this movie just fades away at its peak.
Every interesting character developes in his unspectecular death.

The key fetching quest fits exactly my critique. While it was entertaining for a "sub"plot, the absence of an actual mainplot made it way too important. Reminds me of the podraces in Episode I.

It is just the next typical "Disney" movie. They extract those parts, characters and things of past-movies people really liked and then just tape them together to a new movie with wonderful visuals.

Ketraar wrote:I feel people should stop talking in extremes, unless they are Sith.

Talking about hyperbole

Ketraar wrote:PS.: You should watch any of the Blade Runner then. (Spoiler they are both great movies)

I watched 2049. I liked it, as a piece of visual and audible art. Truly beautiful movie with a lot of impressions. Wouldn't watch it again, though.

Seriously I am open to any discussions why The Last Jedi is great or not so great but as it stands now: I nearly fell asleep.
I do understand that the original trilogy is an important part of a lot of peoples childhood and maybe I am too young to understand that. I like the Star Wars movies since I watched Rogue One but Episode 1, 7 and 8 are definitly not my favourites.

Antilogic · Post by **Antilogic** » Wed, 27. Dec 17, 17:38

Got it booked in to see again at IMAX this time, since I find myself with some free time coming home Friday evening

Post by **Ketraar** » Wed, 27. Dec 17, 20:10

Tamina wrote:The movie has no closed story, it has neither a beginning nor an end nor any major conclusions, it just drags the story to the third movie and makes barely any progress to the overall story.

Sorry but its a trilogy, it was announced as such. Expecting a conclusion in the 2nd of 3 movies is a bit bizarre to say the least.

Seriously I am open to any discussions why The Last Jedi is great or not so great but as it stands now: I nearly fell asleep.

Well dont think anyone claims it to be great, but if you fall asleep during The Last Jedi, I'd question or lack of rest. Its not as boring as you say it is, you know that. It has the best action set pieces in any Star Wars movie, better then most action movies this year.

Now I'm not trying to convince you to like a movie, I just think you, and many others keep having this extremes attitude of thing either being great or plain awful. That is not how life works.

I watched 2049. I liked it, as a piece of visual and audible art. Truly beautiful movie with a lot of impressions. Wouldn't watch it again, though.

I'm not surprised its not the kind of movie you can just digest, its not fast-food. And if you only took away the visuals, its OK, but you missed out on great science fiction and some rather interesting philosophy. If you have not, I suggest you rewatch it, but watch the 1982 version first (the Directors Cut) it still holds up today.

Tamina wrote:
Ketraar wrote:I feel people should stop talking in extremes, unless they are Sith.
Talking about hyperbole

I dont get it. Here I thought I'd made a pretty solid joke there... oh well.

MFG

Ketraar

Skism · Post by **Skism** » Wed, 27. Dec 17, 23:58

I'm with Tamina here

I went to see this movie on Christmas Eve.

I can honestly say it was the Worst Star Wars movie i have ever seen and I have seen them all*

* I have not seen Rogue one yet but I don't think that matters

It is hard for me to articulate why this movie is so bad as there is so much wrong with it so I am going to use Tamina's quote:

The movie has no closed story, it has neither a beginning nor an end nor any major conclusions, it just drags the story to the third movie and makes barely any progress to the overall story. I wouldn't be surprised if in Episode 42 the Rebels are still fleeing from Sith Master 17 and his apprentice Vader-Copy 13. Every moment that builds up in this movie just fades away at its peak. Every interesting character develops in his unspectacular death. The key fetching quest fits exactly my critique. While it was entertaining for a "sub"plot, the absence of an actual mainplot made it way too important. It is just the next typical "Disney" movie. They extract those parts, characters and things of past-movies people really liked and then just tape them together to a new movie with wonderful visuals.

I agree

I will also add there are so many plot holes and impossibilities with this movie (which is a near 3 hour movie ) That its probably easier to list what works than what does not.

http://boundingintocomics.com/2017/12/1 ... ovie-ever/

^ spoilers in that link btw

I would give this film a 3/10

for reference Star Wars Attack of the Clones is 6/10 in my mind and Phantom Menace is probably that as well.

and the rest of the audience agrees with me:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/star_wars_saga

Its audience rating stands at 52% which is the lowest of the now 8 films

Antilogic · Post by **Antilogic** » Thu, 28. Dec 17, 00:25

I can honestly say it was the Worst Star Wars movie i have ever seen and I have seen them all*

I am very happy about this, if you hate it then I know it must be good

Skism · Post by **Skism** » Thu, 28. Dec 17, 00:34

Antilogic wrote:
I can honestly say it was the Worst Star Wars movie i have ever seen and I have seen them all*
I am very happy about this, if you hate it then I know it must be good

Honestly what is the logic there?

X person is evil
X person dislikes something (Y)
therefore Y is good

I'm fairly certain thats a fallacy I can't be asked to look it up now tho

Not to mention false premise but thats another thing.

Antilogic · Post by **Antilogic** » Thu, 28. Dec 17, 00:40

Since when did I of all people require logic?

Glad I made you laugh ^^ Still I loved episode 8 so... For me, what else matters?

I will leave you all to your complaining.

Skism · Post by **Skism** » Thu, 28. Dec 17, 00:43

Antilogic wrote:Since when did I of all people require logic?

Glad I made you laugh ^^ Still I loved episode 8 so... For me, what else matters?

I will leave you all to your complaining.

Personally I always thought it was an honest admission.

Anyway we are just pointing out the considerable flaws in TLJ.

Feedback s good after all.

Usenko · Post by **Usenko** » Thu, 28. Dec 17, 00:48

For me, the movie went from a solid 3.5 out of 5 on first watch to a good 4.5 after the second watch.

I am almost ready to call this the best of the Star Wars series.

Skism · Post by **Skism** » Thu, 28. Dec 17, 00:53

Usenko wrote:For me, the movie went from a solid 3.5 out of 5 on first watch to a good 4.5 after the second watch.

I am almost ready to call this the best of the Star Wars series.

Honestly what makes this movie good?

Post by **Ketraar** » Thu, 28. Dec 17, 01:27

Skism wrote:Honestly what makes this movie good?

Cinematography, score, character arcs and actor performances, action set pieces and the plot overall.

The user score is pretty useless, as with many of these films there is always a few "dedicated" people with too much time on their hands and nothing of use to do that will make a lot of noise with little substance, its thing for a while now.

And as I said before, I can see that some people don't like the movie, as per usual its subjective, but I dint read anything of substance as to why its supposed to be bad. Most of the (admittedly few) explanations I read is from people expecting that movies fit THEIR vision and that anything deviating from their, rather pretentious, expectations will be flagged as bad and is met with hostility and none should like it and if they do then they are either dummies or being paid, because other opinions is a big no no, so they make a lot of noise with rather little sense.

Personally, I would not call it the best Star Wars, but its up there with empire, obviously the older ones will always have that special place, mostly due to nostalgia, which is saying something for TLJ.

MFG

Ketraar

Masterbagger · Post by **Masterbagger** » Thu, 28. Dec 17, 15:31

I've been mad at George Lucas for decades now. I didn't think I'd ever want to see the franchise back under his control but here we are.

mr.WHO · Post by **mr.WHO** » Sat, 30. Dec 17, 11:17

Hey Guys,
At the end of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdeGE8rdYdc

There is a very good explenation why there was no active hyperspace intredictors for Supremacy.
Basically that "hyperspace tracking device" was partially stored in hyperspace therefore it's highly likely any hyperspace intrediction would screw that device. Additionally if you can track someone via hyperspace you really don't have to intredict him, just chase untill he ran out of fuel

I guess they didn't account that someone might be crazy enough to kamikze into Supremacy.

Still for mobile capital, I'd prefere to have hyperspace intredictors and put hyperspace tracker on something else, like that Siege Dreadanouth.

Post by **Ketraar** » Sat, 30. Dec 17, 14:15

Also funny that the Hyperspace Tracking was mentioned in Rogue One, when Jin looks through the files while searching for the Deathstar flaw, one such file she skims over is hyperspace tracking.

MFG

Ketraar

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Star Wars - The Last Jedi (may contain spoilers)