Trump

[mrbadger]

Why hasn't the Republican party conceded on Trumps behalf?

I was under the impression they could. Also I thought if they didn't wouldn't this be a risky precedent for them to set? It might (probably would) be a tactic used against them in the future. After all they're withholding not just money, but vital information.

I'd have thought this behaviour would be illegal.

[Grim Lock]

I'd have thought this behaviour would be illegal.

Nearly half of the Americans voted for this behaviour, the republicans are owned by their brainwashed cultist moron Trumpians. It's about feelings, not fact, as usual in the US.

[Vertigo 7]

It's because corporate democrats started using silly catch phrases like "When they go low, we go high" instead of kicking them in the balls like they're asking for. They're going to let republicans continue to walk all over them.

[matthewfarmery]

If Trump thinks that the supreme court will help him, he is sadly mistaken. Seems that the supreme court isn't interested. Also there is only one major case that could be fast tracked, but has been turned down.

https://www.businessinsider.com/supreme ... ?r=US&IR=T

So if Trump thinks he will win this way, he probably hasn't got a chance.

So it will have to be the senate then. But I really hope they don't go against the will of the people.

Oh yes, there been some interesting findings regarding some tax returns,

nonprofit created to support President Donald Trump and his administration gave more than $2 million in 2019 to newly formed groups whose contacts with voters came under investigation in both Florida and North Carolina this year, according to a new tax filing from the group, America First Policies.

https://publicintegrity.org/politics/el ... ng-states/

Only problem, there is no direct link to Trump, but still, looks like he tried to use money to influence voters.

“America First’s operatives are hiding behind state-themed entities that give the appearance of being homegrown operations when, in actuality, the effort appears to be orchestrated by the dark money arm of Trump’s outside political operation of choice,” said Anna Massoglia, a researcher at the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks money in politics. “The extra layers of opacity keep the group’s ties to a political operation endorsed by Trump himself largely hidden.”

[Vertigo 7]

If Trump thinks that the supreme court will help him, he is sadly mistaken. Seems that the supreme court isn't interested. Also there is only one major case that could be fast tracked, but has been turned down.

https://www.businessinsider.com/supreme ... ?r=US&IR=T

So if Trump thinks he will win this way, he probably hasn't got a chance.

So it will have to be the senate then. But I really hope they don't go against the will of the people.

Oh yes, there been some interesting findings regarding some tax returns,

nonprofit created to support President Donald Trump and his administration gave more than $2 million in 2019 to newly formed groups whose contacts with voters came under investigation in both Florida and North Carolina this year, according to a new tax filing from the group, America First Policies.

https://publicintegrity.org/politics/el ... ng-states/

Only problem, there is no direct link to Trump, but still, looks like he tried to use money to influence voters.

“America First’s operatives are hiding behind state-themed entities that give the appearance of being homegrown operations when, in actuality, the effort appears to be orchestrated by the dark money arm of Trump’s outside political operation of choice,” said Anna Massoglia, a researcher at the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks money in politics. “The extra layers of opacity keep the group’s ties to a political operation endorsed by Trump himself largely hidden.”

It'd be the house, not the senate, that would decide the election and of course the republicans would back Trump over what the people want. They've been doing it for 4 years, why stop now?

[felter]

Legal Eagle has done a good video on what happens if Trump refuses to leave the Whitehouse when it's time for him to leave.

[matthewfarmery]

Legal Eagle has done a good video on what happens if Trump refuses to leave the Whitehouse when it's time for him to leave.

Certainly an interesting video. But there is an even darker path, if Trump does get a second term, if the will of the people is ignored.

A lot can still happen before then.

[Vertigo 7]

Those 2 racist GOP turds in Michigan... they're back at it again. They've signed affidavits saying they want to rescind their votes. The action itself is meaningless in the short term but it's part of Trump's effort to overturn the election and will be used in court later.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... id=BHEA000

[eladan]

* Trump pulling out of trade deals eg NAFTA / TPP

IMHO, and as a non-American, Trump's torpedoing of the TPP was one of the few good things he did. Of course, he did it for all the wrong reasons. But I'll still take it.

The problem with the TPP in particular, and other trade deals that the US has spearheaded, is that they have a bad habit of piggy-backing some of their more annoying laws into the deals, to force the rest of the world to have US-style laws. It's how we have utterly ridiculous copyright lengths in the majority of the world now, how they've spread the DMCA beyond the US, and also enabled some corporate sovereignty crap, just to name a few examples. The TPP negotiations were being done in strictest secrecy (which itself rang loud alarm bells) and from what we know of it from rare leaks, there were going to be some particularly unpleasant surprises hidden in it. (Healthcare was one thing mentioned - if that doesn't send shivers down the spine of non-Americans, I don't know what would!) Good riddance.

[mr.WHO]

Trump and his followers, along with Russia, China, North Korea, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, can all kiss my ass.

Ahemm. From somewhere between 200 ft and 50,000 ft depending on whether you worked on Warthogs or B-52s

Except that dropping milion dollar worth of munniton by a plane that costs hundred of thousand dollar per hour to blow a hut made of mud & shit is how empires fall in the long run.
Whole war on terror is absurd misallocation of USA resources for far too long. Someone would think USA would be smarter after Vietnam (albeit that wasn't economical defeat).

[Vertigo 7]

Trump and his followers, along with Russia, China, North Korea, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, can all kiss my ass.

Ahemm. From somewhere between 200 ft and 50,000 ft depending on whether you worked on Warthogs or B-52s

Except that dropping milion dollar worth of munniton by a plane that costs hundred of thousand dollar per hour to blow a hut made of mud & shit is how empires fall in the long run.
Whole war on terror is absurd misallocation of USA resources for far too long. Someone would think USA would be smarter after Vietnam (albeit that wasn't economical defeat).

The ignorance and racism of this statement is astounding. You need to stop.

[felter]

I have to say this. That MSN.com website has to be one of the worst websites going. The top of it is taking up with an advert to try and get you to use edge instead of the browser you are already using, like that is going to happen. Then you have the search engine underneath it, which just takes up more of the screen. Then to top it all up, when you are scrolling down the page to read the article, you get another bar opening up at the top of the page that covers up what you are trying to read. But not just that, because of all of this mess at the top of the page, which stays there all the time you have lost a quarter of your screen. Then if there is a video and you scroll down past it it, suddenly it opens up in the bottom right corner taking up even more of the screen. And of course at the bottom of the page, you have links to other web sites news stories but hidden in amongst them are links to adverts. And talking about those adverts, if they were UK adverts they would be in trouble, as they contain false and misleading advice or they are just plain 100% total lies, where here in the UK they would be prosecuted for making the claims they make. And to top it all up, the whole page looks horrible and looks like it was created by some teenage kid in his bedroom. And that is a site from a multi trillion dollar company, that is based around computing.

[Vertigo 7]

I have to say this. That MSN.com website has to be one of the worst websites going. The top of it is taking up with an advert to try and get you to use edge instead of the browser you are already using, like that is going to happen. Then you have the search engine underneath it, which just takes up more of the screen. Then to top it all up, when you are scrolling down the page to read the article, you get another bar opening up at the top of the page that covers up what you are trying to read. But not just that, because of all of this mess at the top of the page, which stays there all the time you have lost a quarter of your screen. Then if there is a video and you scroll down past it it, suddenly it opens up in the bottom right corner taking up even more of the screen. And of course at the bottom of the page, you have links to other web sites news stories but hidden in amongst them are links to adverts. And talking about those adverts, if they were UK adverts they would be in trouble, as they contain false and misleading advice or they are just plain 100% total lies, where here in the UK they would be prosecuted for making the claims they make. And to top it all up, the whole page looks horrible and looks like it was created by some teenage kid in his bedroom. And that is a site from a multi trillion dollar company, that is based around computing.

I use ublock origin and all I see is the news articles and little if any of the crap. Not just there but all over the web. Best add blocker I've ever seen.

[mr.WHO]

Ahemm. From somewhere between 200 ft and 50,000 ft depending on whether you worked on Warthogs or B-52s

Except that dropping milion dollar worth of munniton by a plane that costs hundred of thousand dollar per hour to blow a hut made of mud & shit is how empires fall in the long run.
Whole war on terror is absurd misallocation of USA resources for far too long. Someone would think USA would be smarter after Vietnam (albeit that wasn't economical defeat).

The ignorance and racism of this statement is astounding. You need to stop.

Depending how fragile you ego is, because this is can be as well prove that guys operating huts are far smarter than guys commanding multi-billion $ armies.
Afganistan is called graveyard of Empires for a reason and Vietnamese wear their victory over USA like a badge of honor.

Defeat of superior force by inferior one is well regarded no matter the race and religion and forcing enemy to use their resources wrong is also universal (from Sun Tzu, Clausevitz to ancient Babylon).

Trump want to reduce deployments in Iraq and Afganistan - well see if he will be sucessful and how Biden will pick up from there.

[Vertigo 7]

Except that dropping milion dollar worth of munniton by a plane that costs hundred of thousand dollar per hour to blow a hut made of mud & shit is how empires fall in the long run.
Whole war on terror is absurd misallocation of USA resources for far too long. Someone would think USA would be smarter after Vietnam (albeit that wasn't economical defeat).

The ignorance and racism of this statement is astounding. You need to stop.

Depending how fragile you ego is, because this is can be as well prove that guys operating huts are far smarter than guys commanding multi-billion $ armies.
Afganistan is called graveyard of Empires for a reason and Vietnamese wear their victory over USA like a badge of honor.

Defeat of superior force by inferior one is well regarded no matter the race and religion and forcing enemy to use their resources wrong is also universal (from Sun Tzu, Clausevitz to ancient Babylon).

Trump want to reduce deployments in Iraq and Afganistan - well see if he will be sucessful and how Biden will pick up from there.

I don't care if it's a mass grave yard or not. The people in that country are not living in mud huts. Seriously, you need to stop with the racism. Take your ignorance back to the faux news comment sections where it belongs.

[Alan Phipps]

It is not too late (nor too early) to lock this thread if the exchanges of personal insults and comments continue.

[Vertigo 7]

* Trump pulling out of trade deals eg NAFTA / TPP

IMHO, and as a non-American, Trump's torpedoing of the TPP was one of the few good things he did. Of course, he did it for all the wrong reasons. But I'll still take it.

The problem with the TPP in particular, and other trade deals that the US has spearheaded, is that they have a bad habit of piggy-backing some of their more annoying laws into the deals, to force the rest of the world to have US-style laws. It's how we have utterly ridiculous copyright lengths in the majority of the world now, how they've spread the DMCA beyond the US, and also enabled some corporate sovereignty crap, just to name a few examples. The TPP negotiations were being done in strictest secrecy (which itself rang loud alarm bells) and from what we know of it from rare leaks, there were going to be some particularly unpleasant surprises hidden in it. (Healthcare was one thing mentioned - if that doesn't send shivers down the spine of non-Americans, I don't know what would!) Good riddance.

I don't blame you one bit. Big pharma makes most of it's money on US sales (or that's where their highest profit margins are) and they have no choice but to sell for what trade agreements have in place to countries like Canada and the UK where your governments set the cost of medications. If there's one entity that's to blame for us not having socialized healthcare it's Big Pharma because they don't want to have to drop their drug prices in the US as well. But if the opportunity comes for them to influence trade negotiations to flip that and start chipping away at your own sovereign laws to increase their bottom line, they're gonna do it. And who has Trump been trotting out over the last 8 months on the political stage?

[matthewfarmery]

There is another route that Trump can take, from reports, he has considered attacking Iran, (reports say he was considering it last week) But then again, he has been heightening tensions with Iran. While at the same time, wanting to pull troops from other areas. (like Afghanistan) which would only make things worse in that region. (then again, I never considered that we won the war in that area. So if Trump does withdraw troops, it will be Vietnam for the second time.

Bit if Trump is moving troops to attack Iran, then that might be why. But it would be a huge mistake if he does so. It would certainly lead to full scale war. now even if Trump is kicked out, it will leave Biden in a hell of a mess.

At this stage, I wouldn't put it past Trump to attack Iran, and have it as his legacy.

Until Biden takes over, (if he does) Trump will still have the military on his side.

[Vertigo 7]

Until Biden takes over, (if he does) Trump will still have the military on his side.

Under his command and on his side are not the same thing. The joint chiefs are not interested in attacking Iran without cause and they're certainly not interested in pulling out of Afghanistan or Syria. They're pretty much the only ones we have pushing back against Trump and replacing them with loyalists will be difficult to do. He can't just make some random donor a 4 star officer. He can only tap another 4 star to take the post and all of them have been serving a helluva lot longer than Trump has been in office.

[Mightysword]

Until Biden takes over, (if he does) Trump will still have the military on his side.

No, he doesn't lol.

Remember last week or the week before when Trump fired Esper and appointed Miller as the replacement as defense secrectary (which is a civilian appointee). In his very first address with Miller standing right next to him, Gen. Mark Milley (the chairmain of the joint chief of staff, aka the top uniformed official at the Pentagon) said this:

"We are unique among militaries. We do not take an oath to a king or a queen, a tyrant or a dictator. We do not take an oath to an individual. No, we do not take an oath to a country, a tribe or religion. We take an oath to the Constitution. And every soldier that is represented in this museum, every sailor, airman, Marine, Coast Guardsman, each of us will protect and defend that document, regardless of personal price. "


I think a tl;dr version of that statement would be something like "Trump, the military is not your play thing".