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Re: Trump

Post by BrasatoAlBarolo » Mon, 29. Jun 20, 11:38

The feeling I have is Trump isn't just a "political racist", meaning he's not going the racist way to please his voters. He is genuinely a white suprematist.

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Re: Trump

Post by clakclak » Mon, 29. Jun 20, 12:06

BrasatoAlBarolo wrote:
Mon, 29. Jun 20, 11:38
The feeling I have is Trump isn't just a "political racist", meaning he's not going the racist way to please his voters. He is genuinely a white suprematist.
I mean with him sharing a video of his supporters yelling White Power I feel like he finally is starting to be a bit more open about it. Even if he ended up deleting it afterwards. Here is the video.
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Re: Trump

Post by Grim Lock » Mon, 29. Jun 20, 12:15

BrasatoAlBarolo wrote:
Mon, 29. Jun 20, 11:38
The feeling I have is Trump isn't just a "political racist", meaning he's not going the racist way to please his voters. He is genuinely a white suprematist.
I disagree, he personally thinks he is better smarter more reliable etc, than everyone, i don't think he really cares about skin colour as long as you worship him as the god he thinks himself to be, this does however make it very easy for him to hitch a ride on the racist feelings of his base though, given his psychotic lack of empathy and utterly lacking moral compass.
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Re: Trump

Post by Vertigo 7 » Mon, 29. Jun 20, 12:45

Grim Lock wrote:
Mon, 29. Jun 20, 12:15
BrasatoAlBarolo wrote:
Mon, 29. Jun 20, 11:38
The feeling I have is Trump isn't just a "political racist", meaning he's not going the racist way to please his voters. He is genuinely a white suprematist.
I disagree, he personally thinks he is better smarter more reliable etc, than everyone, i don't think he really cares about skin colour as long as you worship him as the god he thinks himself to be, this does however make it very easy for him to hitch a ride on the racist feelings of his base though, given his psychotic lack of empathy and utterly lacking moral compass.
If what you say is true, that in of itself is pretty stupid as the amount of white nationalists in this country are vastly outnumbered. That's not to say there's not a lot, but not enough to control the vote in his favor. He could have won more people over to worship him if he opposed racism, instead.

No, I don't agree. I think he truly is a racist. His history on the matter predates his bid for office with things such as:

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.

1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”

1988: In a commencement speech at Lehigh University, Trump spent much of his speech accusing countries like Japan of “stripping the United States of economic dignity.” This matches much of his current rhetoric on China.

1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four Black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

1993: In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”

and the list goes on.
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Re: Trump

Post by BrasatoAlBarolo » Mon, 29. Jun 20, 13:26

Vertigo 7 wrote:
Mon, 29. Jun 20, 12:45
Grim Lock wrote:
Mon, 29. Jun 20, 12:15
BrasatoAlBarolo wrote:
Mon, 29. Jun 20, 11:38
The feeling I have is Trump isn't just a "political racist", meaning he's not going the racist way to please his voters. He is genuinely a white suprematist.
I disagree, he personally thinks he is better smarter more reliable etc, than everyone, i don't think he really cares about skin colour as long as you worship him as the god he thinks himself to be, this does however make it very easy for him to hitch a ride on the racist feelings of his base though, given his psychotic lack of empathy and utterly lacking moral compass.
If what you say is true, that in of itself is pretty stupid as the amount of white nationalists in this country are vastly outnumbered. That's not to say there's not a lot, but not enough to control the vote in his favor. He could have won more people over to worship him if he opposed racism, instead.
I agree with you, even if his cult of personality is much easier to transmit to white supremacists than to normal people. If I weren't a pure racist but I wanted, no matter the consequences, get political power, I'd go for the easy way: pleasing suprematists, because they don't need any explanation if I say "black people is bad".

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Re: Trump

Post by Vertigo 7 » Mon, 29. Jun 20, 14:01

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1650aN

The last state bearing the confederate emblem in it's state flag has voted to remove the confederate emblem. It's only 126 years late.
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Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.
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Re: Trump

Post by matthewfarmery » Mon, 29. Jun 20, 23:19

Well, this is good news

Twitch bans the president for hateful conduct.

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump ... m-12017636

I bet Trump is fuming mind, another platform that is standing up to the president's hateful comments. I guess there might be a twitter storm, but I wonder how long it will be before twitter does the right thing?

And good for reddit, again doing the right thing. But again, the president won't see it that way.
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Re: Trump

Post by Observe » Tue, 30. Jun 20, 03:49

Nothing particularly new here, but I'll post it anyway. Such conduct by this President has become normal since he took the helm. Trump's phone calls alarm US officials.
In hundreds of highly classified phone calls with foreign heads of state, President Donald Trump was so consistently unprepared for discussion of serious issues, so often outplayed in his conversations with powerful leaders like Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Erdogan, and so abusive to leaders of America's principal allies, that the calls helped convince some senior US officials -- including his former secretaries of state and defense, two national security advisers and his longest-serving chief of staff -- that the President himself posed a danger to the national security of the United States, according to White House and intelligence officials intimately familiar with the contents of the conversations.
The calls caused former top Trump deputies -- including national security advisers H.R. McMaster and John Bolton, Defense Secretary James Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and White House chief of staff John Kelly, as well as intelligence officials -- to conclude that the President was often "delusional," as two sources put it, in his dealings with foreign leaders.
It is no wonder that our adversaries want Trump.

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Re: Trump

Post by fiksal » Tue, 30. Jun 20, 04:03

I want to touch on the matter of buying bounties.

I am more inclined to believe CIA's account. There are some things that can be and should be double checked but I don't see it's as unlikely, that they actually found people that said that.

Can they prove that better? - who knows, and maybe it's to remain classified for some time.

So I will briefly move on to the other side - Putin. Feeling untouchable and feeling like the smartest player on the board can do this to one - remove fear and caution. For Putin to okay such a thing - is peanuts. Plus it's a nice bone to throw to his generals. If I recall, some Russian soldiers did secretly die to American direct fire in Syria. So this is both good for morale and has a potential benefit of stretching US too thin.

And a potential benefit has been overall master strategy of Putin for years now.

I am giving this plausible, with the note that the military has already started erasing its footsteps, as is the common strategy.
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Re: Trump

Post by BrasatoAlBarolo » Tue, 30. Jun 20, 08:39

Observe wrote:
Tue, 30. Jun 20, 03:49
Nothing particularly new here, but I'll post it anyway. Such conduct by this President has become normal since he took the helm. Trump's phone calls alarm US officials.
In hundreds of highly classified phone calls with foreign heads of state, President Donald Trump was so consistently unprepared for discussion of serious issues, so often outplayed in his conversations with powerful leaders like Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Erdogan, and so abusive to leaders of America's principal allies, that the calls helped convince some senior US officials -- including his former secretaries of state and defense, two national security advisers and his longest-serving chief of staff -- that the President himself posed a danger to the national security of the United States, according to White House and intelligence officials intimately familiar with the contents of the conversations.
The calls caused former top Trump deputies -- including national security advisers H.R. McMaster and John Bolton, Defense Secretary James Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and White House chief of staff John Kelly, as well as intelligence officials -- to conclude that the President was often "delusional," as two sources put it, in his dealings with foreign leaders.
It is no wonder that our adversaries want Trump.
So I wasn't the only one thinking Trump was harming the US with his school bully behaviour in foreign politics...

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Re: Trump

Post by Vertigo 7 » Tue, 30. Jun 20, 11:01

BrasatoAlBarolo wrote:
Tue, 30. Jun 20, 08:39
Observe wrote:
Tue, 30. Jun 20, 03:49
Nothing particularly new here, but I'll post it anyway. Such conduct by this President has become normal since he took the helm. Trump's phone calls alarm US officials.
In hundreds of highly classified phone calls with foreign heads of state, President Donald Trump was so consistently unprepared for discussion of serious issues, so often outplayed in his conversations with powerful leaders like Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Erdogan, and so abusive to leaders of America's principal allies, that the calls helped convince some senior US officials -- including his former secretaries of state and defense, two national security advisers and his longest-serving chief of staff -- that the President himself posed a danger to the national security of the United States, according to White House and intelligence officials intimately familiar with the contents of the conversations.
The calls caused former top Trump deputies -- including national security advisers H.R. McMaster and John Bolton, Defense Secretary James Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and White House chief of staff John Kelly, as well as intelligence officials -- to conclude that the President was often "delusional," as two sources put it, in his dealings with foreign leaders.
It is no wonder that our adversaries want Trump.
So I wasn't the only one thinking Trump was harming the US with his school bully behaviour in foreign politics...
Oh, god no. His foreign policy has been an absolute disaster on EVERY front. It's a wonder the US is still a member of the G7, tbh.
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Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.
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Re: Trump

Post by jlehtone » Tue, 30. Jun 20, 11:28

Vertigo 7 wrote:
Tue, 30. Jun 20, 11:01
It's a wonder the US is still a member of the G7, tbh.
Which is more likely:
* members of G7 decide that they are better off without the meddling teenager
or
* Trump cuts "unnecessary costs" (like Paris, Middle East, WHO, NATO, G7, ...)

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Re: Trump

Post by Vertigo 7 » Tue, 30. Jun 20, 11:38

jlehtone wrote:
Tue, 30. Jun 20, 11:28
Vertigo 7 wrote:
Tue, 30. Jun 20, 11:01
It's a wonder the US is still a member of the G7, tbh.
Which is more likely:
* members of G7 decide that they are better off without the meddling teenager
or
* Trump cuts "unnecessary costs" (like Paris, Middle East, WHO, NATO, G7, ...)
I would say either is equally likely.
In my work with the defendants (at the Nuremberg Trials 1945-1949) I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men.

Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.
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Re: Trump

Post by ClearSky » Tue, 30. Jun 20, 11:48

Masterbagger wrote:
Sat, 27. Jun 20, 05:10
Observe wrote:
Sat, 27. Jun 20, 03:26
I hope Trump stops doing his rallies for the sake of his supporters health and everyone else he is putting at risk. Surely, the election process can continue without live performances.
It really can't when so much of our media is on a hair trigger to distort the man's words. He needs to engage people live and get his message out. Every rally he does there is going to be people who were taught or pressured to hate him and needed to see him in person without a filter to make up their own minds. This is important. Our American symbolism is under attack by haters. Our sense of security in our government is shaken by the permissive attitude towards rioters, looters, and those who desecrate our past. Our country is wracked by intolerance of social media mobs destroying individuals who speak out. We need him out front and center more than ever. We need Pence running things and Trump doing rallies every day until November.
Good grief! There is no distortion when the rallies are broadcast live. I've heard the words direct from his mouth, and unfortunately a lot of the time (most really) his brain doesn't seem to be engaged. The way Trump presents himself is beneath the dignity of the office he holds. Never have I witnessed a world leader (so-called in his case) behave in such a juvenile manner. And as for his business acumen... what acumen? The court facts on his many, many bankruptcies (including a casino ferchrissakes), are beyond dispute.

On a personal note, I detest the politics of division. And that goes for all sides.

Still, you get what you vote for I suppose.

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Re: Trump

Post by BrasatoAlBarolo » Tue, 30. Jun 20, 13:36

How can someone calling himself "patriot" consider a person like Trump a good leader for his country? Besides foreign relations, he's hurting internal unity in a way which has no record.
How a patriot could ever consider black or latin american "inferior", considering how long they lived and worked in and for the US? By my view, a true patriot would consider them more american than (for instance) a lot of egocentric remorseless (white) bankers who destroyed economy in the recent past.

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