[AP] TS/TS+ Effectiveness

ajax34i · Post by **ajax34i** » Wed, 15. Apr 15, 17:12

I love the Split Caiman Haulers; not only do they perform well, but it's also easy to purchase batches of 10 from Patriarch's Conclusion and set them up with jump drives in Queen's Harbour, then off they go with "broadcast to all" commands to get them outfitted with all the mods.

ancienthighway · Post by **ancienthighway** » Wed, 15. Apr 15, 17:24

egosoftuserdude wrote: CLS is sold exclusively at Argon Equipment Docks (not paranid)...

Actually there is a station in Priests Pity that sells CLS software. Roguey's lists it as an Equipment Dock and doesn't show the CLS software, but take a look in game and you'll find it there. It can also be found at the Trading Post in Hatikvah's Faith, still requiring good terms with the Argon, but not an EqD.

Post by **Nanook** » Wed, 15. Apr 15, 20:25

ancienthighway wrote:...Trading Post in Hatikvah's Faith...

Don't you mean Herron's Nebula? Hatikvah's Faith is a pirate sector and doesn't have a Trading Post, only an Anarchy Port.

ancienthighway · Post by **ancienthighway** » Wed, 15. Apr 15, 22:04

Oops, yeah, that's what I meant.

radster01 · Post by **radster01** » Thu, 16. Apr 15, 02:19

I started as Terran Commander an the Paranormal and the Argon hate me. HENCE l, I cant buy CLS.

ancienthighway · Post by **ancienthighway** » Thu, 16. Apr 15, 02:39

ancienthighway wrote: Actually there is a station in Priests Pity that sells CLS software.

egosoftuserdude · Post by **egosoftuserdude** » Thu, 16. Apr 15, 02:41

[quote="ancienthighway"][quote="egosoftuserdude"]
CLS is sold exclusively at Argon Equipment Docks (not paranid)...[/quote]

Actually there is a station in Priests Pity that sells CLS software. Roguey's lists it as an Equipment Dock and doesn't show the CLS software, but take a look in game and you'll find it there. It can also be found at the Trading Post in Hatikvah's Faith, still requiring good terms with the Argon, but not an EqD.[/quote]

Interesting - didn't know about cls at priest's pity or Herron's Nebula...thanks!

radster01 · Post by **radster01** » Fri, 17. Apr 15, 02:35

STATION/MK2 TRADER EFFECTIVNESS

After lots of blood, sweat and tears I finally compiled my list, accessable from this link.

The top ten ships for for effectiveness were:
1: Caiman (100%) (Low on shields, 50MJ, low cargo, very very fast(124 m/s). Quite cheap. Easy to equip with a jumpdrive - buy in Patriach's Seclusion, then escort to Queen's Harbour for a jumpdrive from Atreus HQ.)
2: Mistral (87%) (Medium-high shielding at 100MJ, average-low cargo, blazing fast (130 m/s), slightly pricey for a basic freighter. Also easy to get a jumpdrive on: buy in Legend's Home, and equip it with a jumpdrive at OTAS HQ)
3: Mercury (85%) (Medium shielding at 75MJ, average-low cargo, decent speed (100 m/s), very cheap. Another one that's easy to get a jumpdrive on - sold at Legend's Home.)
4: Dolphin (77%) (Medium shielding at 75MJ, average cargo, slow speed (75 m/s), priced reasonably. YET ANOTHER ONE easy to get a jumpdrive on - buy in Queen's Retribution, equip in Queens Harbour.)
5: Caiman Tanker (77%) (Re-Caiman, but note that it's about double the price, but is 1 m/s faster.)
6: Vulture (70%) (Low shielding at 50 MJ, average-low cargo, slow speed (80 m/s), reasonably priced. The first ship on this list that dosen't have a jumpdrive retalier within 5 sectors of it's buying location. You can take it to Legend's Home, but it's easier to get a TM with 4 M5's. I prefer the Dolphin.)
7: Caiman Hauler (67%) (My personal favorite, medium shielding at 75 MJ, above average cargo, average speed (99 m/s), also reasonably priced. Re-Caiman for jumpdrive.
8: Demeter Miner (66%) (A miner varient more effective than it's normal?

Medium shields (75 MJ), average-low cargo, quite fast (118 m/s), quite expensive. For the jumpdrive, either take it to Queen's Harbour, or bring in the TM.)
9: Demeter (64%) (Medium shields (75 MJ), average-low cargo, average-high speed (110 m/s), very expensive for it's stats. Re-Demeter Miner for Jumpdrive.)
10: Demeter Tanker (64%) (Re-Demeter in every way)

The best three TS+'s were way down the list...

12: Mistral SF (63%) (High shields (150 MJ), but very expensive. Very high cargo, average-low speed for a TS+ (78 m/s), expensive. Re-Mistral for Jumpdrive. IMO this ship loses the most powerful asset of the Mistral - it's speed.)
20: Drake (54%) (High shields (200 MJ), quite cost effective. Average-high cargo, very fast for a TS+ (93 m/s), average price for its class. Re-Caiman for jumpdrive. IMO looks awesome)
24: Snotra (52%) (High shields (200 MJ), quite cost effective. Average-high cargo, average speed for a TS+ (83 m/s), one of the cheaper TS+'s. Re-Demeter for jumpdrive.)

Please post any comments!

P.S. Don't buy a Lotan.

@SparkySparkycorp - Your shields in your spreadsheet are wrong - if a TS had 75 GJ of shields, it would be stronger than the Vahalla!

ancienthighway · Post by **ancienthighway** » Fri, 17. Apr 15, 04:58

Quite a different list than the one you first started this thread with, and more in keeping with what many players have come to use. I wouldn't place the Boron and Teladi ships higher than the Paranid ships, but that's more personal preference I think.

Jumpdrives and desired upgrades/equipment are easy for all purchases, no matter where they are bought, via TM/M5 supply.

Nice work.

Honved · Post by **Honved** » Fri, 17. Apr 15, 16:16

Yes, that's a lot closer to what I consider "reasonable". Still, I rate speed a bit more highly, so the Dolphin and Vulture would take a step or two down the list behind the Demeter versions (interesting tidbit about the Demeter Miner being faster than the standard model). Otherwise, FAR more informative than the original list.

Note (in TC) that getting a Mercury in Argon Prime and picking up the JD from Terracorp in the adjacent sector is about as easy as it gets, at least for a few starts. The only catch is getting to the 25Mj shields in Cloudbase SE before the factory gets removed. Note also that Mercury = Mercury Tanker in every respect except graphics.

sithneverdiealone · Post by **sithneverdiealone** » Fri, 17. Apr 15, 19:20

CLS is avalable at the moon

radster01 · Post by **radster01** » Fri, 17. Apr 15, 22:55

Yea, these are all based on a formula that rates speed and cargo equally. I could change the formula to make speed more important, but considering the 5+ hours I spent on this...

CLS at the moon? Where?

sithneverdiealone · Post by **sithneverdiealone** » Fri, 17. Apr 15, 23:32

radster01 wrote:Yea, these are all based on a formula that rates speed and cargo equally. I could change the formula to make speed more important, but considering the 5+ hours I spent on this...

CLS at the moon? Where?

no clue but you can buy/equip baldrics there with it.

Post by **Sparky Sparkycorp** » Tue, 21. Apr 15, 14:08

radster01 wrote:[@SparkySparkycorp - Your shields in your spreadsheet are wrong - if a TS had 75 GJ of shields, it would be stronger than the Vahalla!

lol, well spotted

I had also forgotten to factor in the fluctuating volume taken up by max shields of each ship. Both fixed in v1.4, linked in the earlier post:

http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 67#4517267

radster01 · Post by **radster01** » Wed, 22. Apr 15, 10:48

sithneverdiealone wrote:
radster01 wrote:Yea, these are all based on a formula that rates speed and cargo equally. I could change the formula to make speed more important, but considering the 5+ hours I spent on this...

CLS at the moon? Where?
no clue but you can buy/equip baldrics there with it.

I can't equip my Baldrics with CLS. Are you playing vanilla AP 3.0?

sithneverdiealone · Post by **sithneverdiealone** » Wed, 22. Apr 15, 22:08

vanilla tc

[AP] TS/TS+ Effectiveness

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