Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

[Ryba]

Hi

During storyline there is a possibility to start a war between Terrans and Argon/Antigone factions. Does this feture triggers only a bad faction relation or war can be win somehow ? I'm asking becasue I don't know what decision should I make regarding the war. Will I end with infinite conflict ?

[AdrianH]

Hi!

Yes, the decision is whether you want to change the relations so drastically that the factions go to war. This is an irreversible change, so if you decide to go with leaking the information as your option, you will trigger an infinite conflict.

I hope that answers your question!

Adrian

[mr.WHO]

CoH DLC added additional step after Paranid unification, so who knows - maybe next DLC would add additional step to Terran-Argon war.

I rather like how X4 plots eveolved to multiple ending combinations. It really adds to butterfly effect of each gamelay - something that I haven't experinced in previous X-series games.

[Vilmu]

Hi!

Yes, the decision is whether you want to change the relations so drastically that the factions go to war. This is an irreversible change, so if you decide to go with leaking the information as your option, you will trigger an infinite conflict.

I hope that answers your question!

Adrian

Can you achieve the same by not killing the antingone guy (so he gets to do the report), while still getting the reward for giving the data to terrans? I kinda want Terrans to be in war with someone, because in my current save they are super afk with huge fleets in SOL doing nothing while their wharf/shipyard/equip dock is 99.9% filled with mats. But, I don't want the terrans to possibly hate me if don't give them the data

[AdrianH]

Can you achieve the same by not killing the antingone guy (so he gets to do the report), while still getting the reward for giving the data to terrans? I kinda want Terrans to be in war with someone, because in my current save they are super afk with huge fleets in SOL doing nothing while their wharf/shipyard/equip dock is 99.9% filled with mats. But, I don't want the terrans to possibly hate me if don't give them the data

That is not possible, unfortunately. If you chose to side with the Terrans, Saman Red will fly around the system, waiting for you to kill him. The story won't progress until you do that. But I can tell you that since you are playing a special agent, skilled at subterfuge and with Dal by your side, no one will connect you with any of the negative outcomes, even if you chose to create war between the factions. So don't be afraid of double-crossing the Terran Protectorate

Adrian

[Ryba]

Just to add something - I decided to start a war between Terrans and Argons/Antigones. It seems that everything works great. I sided with Terrans and together we're taking over sector after sector. Terran economy works great in my game so we have no problem with progressive invasion. Getsu Fune, The Void and Antigone Memorial are Terrans now. Antigone's main Warf has been relocated to deeper sectors as soon as I destroyed it in Antigone Memoria. That's good. They're strugling to survive.

Two things are very interesting:

1. Argons are fighting with Antigones (sic!). Don't know how it is possible. I thought that developers set Argons in this mission chain allied to Antigone. Thing is getting more and more interesting !
2. Antigone Equipment Dock in Antigone Memorial (their HQ for now) can't be destroyed. Don't know why. In-game safety measures ?

[al_dude]

Can't wait to start the war.

I plan to take all Antigone sectors as my own.

[paraskous]

Some action wouldn't hurt for the Terrans.

[Axeface]

I didnt realise that the war choice makes antigone at war too, the mission briefing specifically states that argon will go to war with the terrans and doesnt mention antigone.

[s1asher]

i have triggered war of ANT and ARG vs TER. But in my game, terrans were literally tearing apart ANT with 8-10 destroyers after ~15 mins of starting the war. And more to say, ANT/ARG destroyer in no match for Osaka and Syn destroyers. I tried both 'our of sector' and 'in sector', ANT loosing even is 3vs2 fights.

So in the end i reloaded my save and decided to postpone this war till either TER will be nurfed or something else will happen:)

[s1asher]

UPD i think something is not working correctly with TER ships hitbox, at leat during fights 'in sector'. Cause with external view i see that ANT destroyers is attacking TER ship with main weapon, but shots are simply not reaching the target thus not inflicting any damage:)

[Lastman85]

Is there a Terran vs ANT vs ARG option, too?

or is it "only" Terran vs ANT & ARG.

[paraskous]

I'm no warmonger, but my character is, I believe. Let the light shows begin!

[LandogarX4]

In my game the "war" between ANT and TER looks like this: ANT are suiciding their ships into Getsu Fune's heavy TER forces. That's it. TER are completely passive and don't move into The Void anymore. So for anyone hoping to prompt TER expansion, this is not what you are looking for. A total stale snoozefest like the rest of the 4.0 universe.

EDIT: It gets even worse. Now ANT are building defense stations in Getsu Fune unopposed. There are a dozen or so TER destroyers in the sector, but they do not attack the builders nor the stations. The faction AI is such silly, immersion-breaking crap.

[Battlefront]

In my game the "war" between ANT and TER looks like this: ANT are suiciding their ships into Getsu Fune's heavy TER forces. That's it. TER are completely passive and don't move into The Void anymore. So for anyone hoping to prompt TER expansion, this is not what you are looking for. A total stale snoozefest like the rest of the 4.0 universe.

EDIT: It gets even worse. Now ANT are building defense stations in Getsu Fune unopposed. There are a dozen or so TER destroyers in the sector, but they do not attack the builders nor the stations. The faction AI is such silly, immersion-breaking crap.

Really interesting, my terrans are invading the void really brutally. The Ant Tradingstation is at 5% Hp and will be destroyed soon. Ant lost the last Border to Xenon and now the Terrans fight vs the Xenon in the Void.
Ant has like 6 stations in the Void left and the terrans already have 6 stations of themselve in the void. Terrans lost quite some ships fighting the ANT stations ( I would estimate like 15 Osakas and 5 Syns), but in the end ANT seems to be loosing ground. It will be interesting, if the terrans will invade Antigone Memorial aswell. Or if the Xenon keeps them busy, cause there is a lot of them coming from Last Border.

HOP is of course invading second contact 2, creating another front for ANT. It s not surprising to me that ANT is loosing ground. HOP has a cold war with the Xenon, not really attacking them. In my last game before 4.0 HOP just wiped out the Xenon from all southern sectors. They seemed like unstoppable, but maybe my Hullparts production support was the reason.

ANT would really need ARG military support, i have no idea where ARG is fighting at all. They seem to chill their lives.

[Karvat]

This thing that you can't stop a war/a consequence you have triggered trough a plot, after hours and hours of insane effort to trigger it, is indeed absurd.
In my game, i started the war between Ant and Ter because Ter were stuck, literally stuck in Getsu fune, with the one way accelerator in Savage Spur they're stuck, they have no way to expand in the X Universe, and after triggering the war i realized that there was no war: Ter just completely annihilated Ant in a second.

At some point it was so unbalanced that i decided to restart the game, and when i realized that i had to lose all the progresses done that far i just stopped playing.

[Karmaticdamage]

The terrans have an economy closer to the xenons in simplicity and their shipyards never need resources. They will decimate the ANT/ARG without player intervention if you put them at war in the plot.

[Raptor34]

ANT would really need ARG military support, i have no idea where ARG is fighting at all. They seem to chill their lives.

Going by my games, probably sniping random ZYA stations if they aren't dying themselves.

[budforceuk]

Hi sorry to jump in this thread, but...

to simplify the results:

1. Side with Terran and, Ant/ARG just dont trade with each other anymore, but no further consequences?

2. Side with ANT, big war.

3. Destroy data, no changes.

That correct?

[LandogarX4]

The terrans have an economy closer to the xenons in simplicity and their shipyards never need resources. They will decimate the ANT/ARG without player intervention if you put them at war in the plot.

That's what I expected. However, in my game there's nothing more than a few border skirmishes. Terrans simply aren't using their fleets to move into ANT territory. Occasionally, the AI sends 1 unsupported (!, no fighters) Tokyo through the gate. I never before realized just how bad the faction AI is. Whoever is responsible for AI programming should take a look at what modders do. Mindboggling that hobbyist modders can do a better job.