[MOD] Variety and Rebalance Overhaul (VRO) 4.x

[o-papaya-o]

ok, i'm on discord x4 modding. pseudo PaPaYa

[scav_n_ger]

Would you consider making a windows 7 (documents/extensions) compatible version?

[turosp]

This mod sounds very promising, any chance it would work with 2.50 beta4 ?

[Shuulo]

This mod sounds very promising, any chance it would work with 2.50 beta4 ?

No, im holding till we get full 2.5 release as they may change few things in later betas. And I do not really want to fix bugs that are beta-related.
Also, if I release now it may not work with 2.21, and that is what most people play.

[turosp]

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No, im holding till we get full 2.5 release as they may change few things in later betas. And I do not really want to fix bugs that are beta-related.
Also, if I release now it may not work with 2.21, and that is what most people play.

Yea, good point! I wanted to start a new game anyway, I'll do it with your mod then

[Shuulo]

Version 1.6

NEW: FLAK L turret, low-damage, high-high preciesion turret (may change if ill find a way to detonate projectile near tartget
NEW: Cruise missile L turret - slow powerful missile for anti-cap job, useful on defence platforms, and AI actually uses them for that as well

Major changes:
- Battleships were ranamed to not conflict with ressuply ships
- balance pass, every single weapon was updated, most smaller weapons did get a sloight buff, some M weapons as well
- L turrets thresholds/prices updated to make the usage of them by AI more varied

Minor:
- all weapon descriptions were updated to include real weapons parameters, like Shields DPS, Hull DPS and ALPHA(1-shot power). Remember, weapon usefulness comes not only from DPS, but behaviour is very important as well, adn damage characteristic may be a bit misleading.
- updated even more graphics and sounds of some weapons.
- fixed some bugs here and there.

Translation:
-Added French translation thanks to PaPaYa!!!

[qwizzie]

Looks like NexusMods still reference your mod with version 1.5 instead of 1.6 (eventhough you updated it yesterday)



FYI

[Shuulo]

Looks like NexusMods still reference your mod with version 1.5 instead of 1.6 (eventhough you updated it yesterday)
FYI

Thanks, updated and new version with bug fix uploeaded

[Scoob]

Hi,

Firstly, thanks for this mod, most impressive work!

Secondly, I have a game in progress, started in v2.21 IIRC, that's vanilla apart from a mod that increases ship trade ranges sightly more than vanilla - I added it after the mega nerf which totally broke the economy in my game. Is it better to start afresh do you think? I mean, am I asking for problems modding an older game that was started in a different game version?

I am sorta leaning towards a fresh start with VRO and the FWEE mod, that's just been updated for 2.5 too. Gonna miss my ships and cash reserves though lol.

Edit: Apologies, I just saw read your comment about save compatibility, so I'll restart

Scoob.

[Shuulo]

Hi,

Firstly, thanks for this mod, most impressive work!

Secondly, I have a game in progress, started in v2.21 IIRC, that's vanilla apart from a mod that increases ship trade ranges sightly more than vanilla - I added it after the mega nerf which totally broke the economy in my game. Is it better to start afresh do you think? I mean, am I asking for problems modding an older game that was started in a different game version?

I am sorta leaning towards a fresh start with VRO and the FWEE mod, that's just been updated for 2.5 too. Gonna miss my ships and cash reserves though lol.

Edit: Apologies, I just saw read your comment about save compatibility, so I'll restart

Scoob.

Some people reported that it's totally fine for old saves, I just never tested it myself.
Though I would really suggest to start new game with Faction Fix mod as well, it makes all the difference.

[Scoob]

Some people reported that it's totally fine for old saves, I just never tested it myself.
Though I would really suggest to start new game with Faction Fix mod as well, it makes all the difference.

Thanks, that's what I've done Feels weird just having the one ships again, plus I've not played that much of late.

Scoob.

[lordofpie7000]

In the latest version of the mod it seems to work with my old saves from 2.2. However I've come across the problem of being unable to target small turrets on larger ships. I can target their large turrets but am unable to target the small turrets. I doubt this is intended since it seems to prevent me from continuing through the boarding stages.

[Buzz2005]

I think its still intended for OOS combat so ships don't loose turrets after 5 seconds

[Shuulo]

In the latest version of the mod it seems to work with my old saves from 2.2. However I've come across the problem of being unable to target small turrets on larger ships. I can target their large turrets but am unable to target the small turrets. I doubt this is intended since it seems to prevent me from continuing through the boarding stages.

Buzz is right, its on purpose.
Also, boarding is just to easy in vanilla for my taste. I would suggest to use this mod alongside VRO.

[Scoob]

Just wanted to come here and say that this mod is bloody good! Totally transforms the game for me. I love the new balance of shields and weapons. Nice job.

Scoob.

[unit757]

Love this mod!

One suggestion though, would it be possible to look at reducing the ROF of tracking turrets to half of what they are now? Or even a third? HOP ships seem to be able to punch WAY above their weight because they fit nothing but tracking turrets and heavy lances, and the volume of missiles they spew out is insane.

It wouldn't be so bad if the missile defense command wasn't useless, but this isn't a perfect world.

[Shuulo]

Version 1.62
- updated previously untouched Khaak weapons in line with other modded weapons
- some bugfixes
Balance pass:
- all missiles reload time increased 2x times, to compensate damage increased as well
- Xenon K will now have 4 additional M turrets on its top (only for newly built Ks)
- Slightly increased HP of K
- Slightly increased HP of I
- Slightly increased damage output of Xenon Obliterator Beam
- Decreased HP of Odysseys

[Scoob]

Thanks for the update, downloading now.

Scoob.

[Scoob]

Hi,

I just fitted some "Heavy Lance" turrets to my Odysseus and, when they fire, they hit the Odysseus its self, damaging the ship.

I have this turret installed in all four large emplacements and all appeared to hit the ship.

Note that the turrets themselves don't appear to take any Shield or Hull damage, but the mothership does. I will keep testing to see if this happens consistently. I know sometimes a turret can hit the ship it's on even in vanilla, but it's quite rare. For all FOUR large Turrets on the Odysseus to hit the ship - considering the different firing angles when attacking a single target - is a little odd.

Edit: After a little more testing, it seems that the initial strike on a new target hits the mothership and subsequent shots work ok. Only been testing for a few minutes though. Scratch that. Every few shots, irrespective of firing angle are hitting the mothership. Watching more closely, the source of the beam does not move with the ship. So, if the ship is in motion, the beam starts, then clips some of the ship model as the ship moves. I think this is what's happening each time. Ship is under AI control for testing.

Cheers,

Scoob.

[Shuulo]

Hi,

I just fitted some "Heavy Lance" turrets to my Odysseus and, when they fire, they hit the Odysseus its self, damaging the ship.

I have this turret installed in all four large emplacements and all appeared to hit the ship.

Note that the turrets themselves don't appear to take any Shield or Hull damage, but the mothership does. I will keep testing to see if this happens consistently. I know sometimes a turret can hit the ship it's on even in vanilla, but it's quite rare. For all FOUR large Turrets on the Odysseus to hit the ship - considering the different firing angles when attacking a single target - is a little odd.

Edit: After a little more testing, it seems that the initial strike on a new target hits the mothership and subsequent shots work ok. Only been testing for a few minutes though. Scratch that. Every few shots, irrespective of firing angle are hitting the mothership. Watching more closely, the source of the beam does not move with the ship. So, if the ship is in motion, the beam starts, then clips some of the ship model as the ship moves. I think this is what's happening each time. Ship is under AI control for testing.

Cheers,

Scoob.

Agree, it seems to be a problem, looks like I have no choice as to make Heavy lances a real beam.will update in next version.