[MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by tomchk » Thu, 27. Feb 20, 18:35

Is part of the reason you simplified this mod that Egosoft improved the vanilla game enough to make other changes redundant? Sorry if you already answered this!

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by BlackRain » Thu, 27. Feb 20, 22:48

tomchk wrote:
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Is part of the reason you simplified this mod that Egosoft improved the vanilla game enough to make other changes redundant? Sorry if you already answered this!
Well, the game certainly has improved in a lot of ways and also there are some other mods which add some cool stuff like faction fix and VRO. I also made my corporations mod which can be used with this and the other mods. I am considering what to do next if anything. I am thinking that as an added extra layer to the already existing war code to have a more scripted war aspect too. So, I could have fleets which are especially built to go to certain sectors to fight and stimulate the war. This will probably be what I do next with this and it will also be configurable.

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by tomchk » Thu, 27. Feb 20, 22:53

Very cool idea. Have you thought about or tried any diplomacy features, such as were used in old SMAC (Alpha Centauri)? I think there are some diplomacy mods but haven't tried them yet.

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by BlackRain » Fri, 28. Feb 20, 00:12

tomchk wrote:
Thu, 27. Feb 20, 22:53
Very cool idea. Have you thought about or tried any diplomacy features, such as were used in old SMAC (Alpha Centauri)? I think there are some diplomacy mods but haven't tried them yet.

In CWIR we actually had diplomacy features, so you could declare war against a faction or make peace with one. You could even offer stations and ships to a faction to support it. So, diplomacy features are a possibility.

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by tomchk » Fri, 28. Feb 20, 00:32

BlackRain wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 00:12
tomchk wrote:
Thu, 27. Feb 20, 22:53
Very cool idea. Have you thought about or tried any diplomacy features, such as were used in old SMAC (Alpha Centauri)? I think there are some diplomacy mods but haven't tried them yet.

In CWIR we actually had diplomacy features, so you could declare war against a faction or make peace with one. You could even offer stations and ships to a faction to support it. So, diplomacy features are a possibility.
Oh that's right--those would be very cool! How hard would it be to give a faction some ability to do that itself, such as declaring war with the player because the player becomes powerful enough to be a threat but not too much of a threat to attack?

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by BlackRain » Fri, 28. Feb 20, 00:44

tomchk wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 00:32
BlackRain wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 00:12
tomchk wrote:
Thu, 27. Feb 20, 22:53
Very cool idea. Have you thought about or tried any diplomacy features, such as were used in old SMAC (Alpha Centauri)? I think there are some diplomacy mods but haven't tried them yet.

In CWIR we actually had diplomacy features, so you could declare war against a faction or make peace with one. You could even offer stations and ships to a faction to support it. So, diplomacy features are a possibility.
Oh that's right--those would be very cool! How hard would it be to give a faction some ability to do that itself, such as declaring war with the player because the player becomes powerful enough to be a threat but not too much of a threat to attack?
It can be done randomly or based on certain conditions, but not dynamically (like as some sort of intelligrnce). Hmm, I guess it could be done as weights. For example, player has control of 5 sectors so lower relations with argon by minus 1 or player has 200 military ships so lower relations with all factions by minus 2. This could potentially make it feel dynamic but still be scripted (as in a set of controlled rules) Its not a bad idea. In reality it would not be much different than a space strategy game like distant universe or others like it

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by Shuulo » Fri, 28. Feb 20, 01:28

tomchk wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 00:32
such as declaring war with the player because the player becomes powerful enough to be a threat but not too much of a threat to attack?
I guess I have something like that already in place, but it still triggers only when you are friend of their enemies, so you should use it with Dynamic relations mod from DeadAir, makes very nice combination.

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by tomchk » Fri, 28. Feb 20, 01:42

That sounds like quite a combination! Hopefully it’ll become part of vanilla eventually. 😊

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by BlackRain » Fri, 28. Feb 20, 02:06

Shuulo wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 01:28
tomchk wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 00:32
such as declaring war with the player because the player becomes powerful enough to be a threat but not too much of a threat to attack?
I guess I have something like that already in place, but it still triggers only when you are friend of their enemies, so you should use it with Dynamic relations mod from DeadAir, makes very nice combination.
It’s too random though. I always prefer things with set rules. Some randomness can be interesting sometimes though. If I add diplomacy it would have more options and other things going on too.

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by Shuulo » Fri, 28. Feb 20, 02:34

BlackRain wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 02:06
Shuulo wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 01:28
tomchk wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 00:32
such as declaring war with the player because the player becomes powerful enough to be a threat but not too much of a threat to attack?
I guess I have something like that already in place, but it still triggers only when you are friend of their enemies, so you should use it with Dynamic relations mod from DeadAir, makes very nice combination.
It’s too random though. I always prefer things with set rules. Some randomness can be interesting sometimes though. If I add diplomacy it would have more options and other things going on too.
Well, there is nothing random in Reactive Factions mod, but i believe you meant Dynamic Relations mod, I agree that its quite random, but its first and only mod of its kind, DeadAir may improve it eventually to be a bit more like real diplo mod, though I will be happy your take on this part as well.

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by BlackRain » Fri, 28. Feb 20, 02:37

Shuulo wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 02:34
BlackRain wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 02:06
Shuulo wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 01:28


I guess I have something like that already in place, but it still triggers only when you are friend of their enemies, so you should use it with Dynamic relations mod from DeadAir, makes very nice combination.
It’s too random though. I always prefer things with set rules. Some randomness can be interesting sometimes though. If I add diplomacy it would have more options and other things going on too.
Well, there is nothing random in Reactive Factions mod, but i believe you meant Dynamic Relations mod, I agree that its quite random, but its first and only mod of its kind, DeadAir may improve it eventually to be a bit more like real diplo mod, though I will be happy your take on this part as well.
Yeah, I meant dynamic relations mod for the randomness. Your reactive mod is very limited, so I was thinking of something a little more expansive and a little different. I personally do not like the idea of being hated just because you are worth a lot of money. I would base it on military might of some kind.

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by Shuulo » Fri, 28. Feb 20, 02:45

BlackRain wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 02:37
Yeah, I meant dynamic relations mod for the randomness. Your reactive mod is very limited, so I was thinking of something a little more expansive and a little different. I personally do not like the idea of being hated just because you are worth a lot of money. I would base it on military might of some kind.
Yeah, though about this as well, but decided to have this mod as simple as possible, so it'll work with almost any mod combination, it will also work with your corporations mod out of the box.
And still you are not hated for money, but for helping enemies :)

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by BlackRain » Fri, 28. Feb 20, 03:01

Shuulo wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 02:45
BlackRain wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 02:37
Yeah, I meant dynamic relations mod for the randomness. Your reactive mod is very limited, so I was thinking of something a little more expansive and a little different. I personally do not like the idea of being hated just because you are worth a lot of money. I would base it on military might of some kind.
Yeah, though about this as well, but decided to have this mod as simple as possible, so it'll work with almost any mod combination, it will also work with your corporations mod out of the box.
And still you are not hated for money, but for helping enemies :)
Right, it is that aspect which is also based on wealth. I mixed it up a bit.

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by DeadAirRT » Fri, 28. Feb 20, 06:14

BlackRain wrote:
Fri, 28. Feb 20, 02:37
Yeah, I meant dynamic relations mod for the randomness. Your reactive mod is very limited, so I was thinking of something a little more expansive and a little different. I personally do not like the idea of being hated just because you are worth a lot of money. I would base it on military might of some kind.
I hate how this board nests quotes lol.

I added faction relation manipulation already for getting them to peace, next is war.

Then comes changing of weights from just randomness.

I am unfortunately working on a slew on mods so I'm a bit slow sometimes. Especially when i run into a bug that makes zero sense lol.

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Re: [MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 4.0

Post by Spiny_Ewg » Fri, 28. Feb 20, 11:47

Random relations of different factions to each other would be good.For example, a Declaration of war, alliances...

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