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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by Old Drullo321 » Tue, 24. Jan 23, 16:28

First, the clock rate of a CPU alone is a very bad comparison between different iterations or even different architectures of CPUs. When the Pentium 4 architecture was at its limit, Intel Introduced a new generation of CPUs called Core 2 Duo, based on mobile CPUs, with a different approach and much lower clock speed. But it was alot faster then the old, hot and high clocked P4 CPUs.

In alot of games, but especially games like Factorio, X4 Foundations and Anno 1800, the large cache of the 5800X3D outperforms same generation AM4 CPUs like 5800X. Additionally it is the last and best CPU for gaming you can get for the AM4 platform. Therefore I would either consider upgrading to it or do a complete platform upgrade to whatever you believe in is the better platform (current intel or AM5). I don't like either of them and stick to my 5800X3D for a while.

And last but not forget, while the 5800X3D gets hot, it doesn't really consume much power, even less then my previously CPU, a AMD 3700X.

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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by lixlix » Tue, 24. Jan 23, 17:00

Old Drullo321 wrote:
Tue, 24. Jan 23, 16:28
First, the clock rate of a CPU alone is a very bad comparison between different iterations or even different architectures of CPUs. When the Pentium 4 architecture was at its limit, Intel Introduced a new generation of CPUs called Core 2 Duo, based on mobile CPUs, with a different approach and much lower clock speed. But it was alot faster then the old, hot and high clocked P4 CPUs.

In alot of games, but especially games like Factorio, X4 Foundations and Anno 1800, the large cache of the 5800X3D outperforms same generation AM4 CPUs like 5800X. Additionally it is the last and best CPU for gaming you can get for the AM4 platform. Therefore I would either consider upgrading to it or do a complete platform upgrade to whatever you believe in is the better platform (current intel or AM5). I don't like either of them and stick to my 5800X3D for a while.

And last but not forget, while the 5800X3D gets hot, it doesn't really consume much power, even less then my previously CPU, a AMD 3700X.
Okay this sounds plausible. Thanks you and kingsimsfor your explaination!

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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by Buzz2005 » Tue, 24. Jan 23, 18:02

lixlix wrote:
Tue, 24. Jan 23, 08:32
:D I want to buy a new CPU to play X4. Currently I get between 15 and 20 FPS (Map, mid/end game) with a Ryzen 3600, 32GB RAM and a GTX2070.
I want to stick to AM4 socket.

So should I choose a CPU with a high base clock or with a high boost clock?
Had 3600x max clock boost was 4.2, upgraded to 5800x (max 4.8), overall i did have performance boost, doubt it will help very big in heavy situations but smother the whole gameplay was nevertheless, got even a better CPU cooler that actually helped very much on 3600x and new 5800x with keeping the clock at max, I would recommend that more then cpu upgrade.
Why I did it was actually the price, got it from German amazon for 270euros with shipping, will sell my old one for about 100 euros probably less so it was not much at all
I do wonder why you have so little fps in mid game? But that heavily depends how you play and how much you build as well as are you using mods.
For about 100 euros more i guess 5800x3d would give more minimum fps then normal 5800x, but whatever you get buy a good cooler, I got Be Quiet Shadow Rock 3 and its excellent (make sure to check whatever you get if it will fit with you motherboard and case).

Btw the charts here still show that high end Intel still is the best for x4
Fixed ships getting spawned away from ship configuration menu at resupply ships from automatically getting deployables.

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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by Imperial Good » Wed, 25. Jan 23, 14:25

lixlix wrote:
Tue, 24. Jan 23, 08:32
I want to buy a new CPU to play X4. Currently I get between 15 and 20 FPS (Map, mid/end game) with a Ryzen 3600, 32GB RAM and a GTX2070.
I want to stick to AM4 socket.
Best in socket for X4 and a lot of games is 5800X3D. Unfortunately this does reflect on its price and availability and AMD is unlikely to run more production runs of them at this point to help with that.

Something like a 5600 or 5800 would be an incremental upgrade but are also a lot cheaper and available.

It is important to check your motherboard supports Zen3 CPUs before buying one. Older AM4 motherboards might not.

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Post by TomRobinson » Wed, 8. Feb 23, 06:05

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High settings with msaa X2 at 1440p and ssao off (can repeat at lower setting but not sure exactly what everyone is using, afterburner had my GPU usage around 35% so don't think it's GPU bottleneckdd)

Empty: ~145-150fps
with empire: ~78-100 fps (averaged around 92, this save jagged out a bit on loading for me)
dense empire: ~26 fps
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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by Blitz4 » Thu, 9. Feb 23, 00:42

Please be sure to post your game version number.

I'm curious how much 6.0 improved frametime & framerates

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Post by strask412 » Thu, 9. Feb 23, 01:55

Blitz4 wrote:
Thu, 9. Feb 23, 00:42
Please be sure to post your game version number.

I'm curious how much 6.0 improved frametime & framerates
You might be interested in this thread from the beta forum:
viewtopic.php?f=192&t=451070
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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by XX44 » Thu, 9. Feb 23, 17:50

Ryzen 7600 (Stock @ 4.95Ghz)
32GB (2x16) DDR5-6000 CL30-36-36-76 with agressive subtimings (the ones shown for the Gigabyte X670 Gaming X in this video: https://youtu.be/UN2gkbMQ2fs?t=796 )
RTX 4090

Game version 5.1, but only Split Vendetta and CoH enabled (I don't have the latest one)
Everything set to max @ 1920p (though 4k did not make a single fps difference)
I did not use the new 'dense empty' savegame, because I could not download the file.

Young Gun: 134-143 FPS
Dense: 21-27 FPS
Dense empty (after moving away a little bit) 73-102 FPS


Same setup, but 7600 OC to 5.4 GHz:

Young Gun: 134-145
Dense: 24-28 (though typically 26-27)
Dense empty: 72-107


Raptor Lake clearly seems to be the better choice for X4, given that I used quite fast DDR5 modules. I was planning on upgrading to a 7800X3D later, though maybe sending the AM5 platform back and going with Intel might be the better idea.

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Post by lixlix » Sat, 11. Feb 23, 11:56

Ryzen 5800X3D (Stock @ 4.5Ghz) AMD Balanced powerplan
32GB (2x16) DDR4-3000 CL16-18-18-38-71 1T
RTX 2070

Version 5.10 All DLC's (SV, CoH, ToA)
GFX 1920×1080 everything on lowest setting.

Young Gun: 169 ±1 FPS
Empire Empty: 96-107 FPS, drops to ~88 FPS on "video calls"
Empire Dense: 18-24, drops to ~18 FPS on "video calls"


I upgraded from a Ryzen 3600.
My normal save FPS dropped to 16FPS on Map. The ships jittered over the map.
I tested the saves from here and the FPS where partly unplayable... (didnt note the values).
The time to save was between 30 and 35 seconds.

As suggested here I upgraded to the 5800X3D and the first time in over 1000h noticed smooth ship movements over the Map ^^. Now the game saves in 10 - 15 seconds.


I play with the energy save power plan of windows and it works fine.
Temperatures with powerplan
balanced ~79°C
energysave ~ 65°C


Thanks for all your suggestions and contribution here!

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Post by magitsu » Sat, 11. Feb 23, 14:25

lixlix wrote:
Sat, 11. Feb 23, 11:56
Thanks for all your suggestions and contribution here!
If you want to tune further, you could get few degrees lower temperatures by using PBO Tuner 2 with -30 all cores setting. I use that, and it seems to be achievable (aka stable) with all 5800x3d (at least -25).
It actually improves the performance instead of lowering it (but not noticeably).
https://github.com/PrimeO7/How-to-under ... /README.md

I know how you feel, I had Ryzen 2600 before with X4. Though I don't consider the performance change in X4 as significant as in Paradox games. For the map view it still matters more that you disable the showing of allied moves from the map filters. That was the main source of map lag. But 6.0 improves at least the loading times significantly (and now it doesn't look too dark anymore).

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Post by Imperial Good » Sat, 11. Feb 23, 17:04

magitsu wrote:
Sat, 11. Feb 23, 14:25
If you want to tune further, you could get few degrees lower temperatures by using PBO Tuner 2 with -30 all cores setting. I use that, and it seems to be achievable (aka stable) with all 5800x3d (at least -25).
As with all overclocking, this might be subject to silicon lottery and other hardware variance. Just because it is stable for some people does not mean it will be stable for everyone. Anyone using this value I suggest does their own, extensive, stability testing to make sure it is perfectly stable in their system.

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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by Caileak » Thu, 16. Feb 23, 19:06

I was upgrading my system and figured, I should do some test runs for this thread. So, without further ado, here we go:

Initial situation:
CPU: Ryzen 7 1700 @ 3650 MHz
RAM: 4x8 GB 2400 MHz CL16 with DOCP activated (Ranks = Single)
GPU: GeForce RTX 2070 Super
Motherboard Chip: AMD B350
Game version: 5.10 (479084)

My personal save spot*: 32 fps with stock GPU, 44 FPS with GPU overclocking

First upgrade:
CPU: Ryzen 7 1700 @ 3650 MHz
RAM: 4x8 GB 2400 MHz CL16 with DOCP activated (Ranks = Single)
GPU: GeForce RTX 4080
Motherboard Chip: AMD B350
Game version: 5.10 (479084)
  • Young Gun: 95 FPS
  • Dense Empire: 11 FPS
  • Dense Empty: n/a
  • My personal save spot: 43 FPS
Latest upgrade:
CPU: Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4500 MHz, ~60°C, ~35 Watts at all tests**
RAM: 2x16 GB 3200 MHz CL18 with DOCP activated (Ranks = Dual)

GPU: GeForce RTX 4080
Motherboard Chip: AMD B350
Game version: 5.10 (479084)
  • Young Gun: 152 FPS
  • Dense Empire: 19 FPS
  • Dense Empty: 110 FPS
  • My personal save spot: 108 FPS
*"My personal save spot" isn't anything fancy. It is meant for comparison to my initial setup.
**The Ryzen 7 5800X3D (undervolted & on my system) runs at 70°C and 53-54 Watts, under heavy load.

My initial idea was to provide you with some RAM test results, but my new RAM wasn't compatible with my old CPU, sadly.

Edit: How do you guys get this many FPS at Dense Empire Empty?
Edit 2: Ah, figured it out: Only if I move, the FPS relax. As long as I don't move, my system runs at 5 FPS. I've updated my latest test result accordingly.

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Post by Arsaneus » Fri, 3. Mar 23, 11:12

CPU: Ryzen 9 7900X3D @ Default clock. Threads 13-24 are parked
RAM: 2x32 GB G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB (2 x 32GB, 6000 MHz, DDR5-RAM, DIMM)
GPU: Sapphire 7900XTX Nitro+
Motherboard Chip: ASUS ProArt X670E

Game version: 5.10
Young Gun: 175-180 FPS
Dense Empire: 22-25 FPS (At least the CPU is only using 31 Watts lol)
Dense Empty: 130 FPS

It really doesn't like Dense Empire - it is also unchanged between 5.10 and 6.00 B4. Same results.


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Post by Panos » Sun, 5. Mar 23, 01:00

Arsaneus wrote:
Fri, 3. Mar 23, 11:12
CPU: Ryzen 9 7900X3D @ Default clock. Threads 13-24 are parked
RAM: 2x32 GB G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB (2 x 32GB, 6000 MHz, DDR5-RAM, DIMM)
GPU: Sapphire 7900XTX Nitro+
Motherboard Chip: ASUS ProArt X670E

Game version: 5.10
Young Gun: 175-180 FPS
Dense Empire: 22-25 FPS (At least the CPU is only using 31 Watts lol)
Dense Empty: 130 FPS

It really doesn't like Dense Empire - it is also unchanged between 5.10 and 6.00 B4. Same results.
Outside those saves, how the game feels with the 7900X3D when playing normally?

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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by typhonx25 » Thu, 9. Mar 23, 05:16

I have i5-12400 + rx 5700, looking at either a i5-13600K ($250). Do you think it's worth the extra $100 to go up to i7-13700k? Or should I5 be enough?

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Post by Berni » Thu, 9. Mar 23, 11:21

The 13700k is almost on par with the 13900k in games. so yes, get the 13700k^^

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Post by ZeroAffex » Thu, 9. Mar 23, 12:42

typhonx25 wrote:
Thu, 9. Mar 23, 05:16
I have i5-12400 + rx 5700, looking at either a i5-13600K ($250). Do you think it's worth the extra $100 to go up to i7-13700k? Or should I5 be enough?
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Post by Chris2000SP » Fri, 10. Mar 23, 00:54

I have a AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D and AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT. I upgraded from a AMD Ryzen 7 5700G. I run 4k 60hz VSync on max quality with SSAA 2X.
I have only Split Vendetta and Cradle of Humanity DLC. I have in every Sector accept for Xenon Sectors a bunch of satellites.

With the 5700G i had on the map 21 FPS. With the 5800X3D i have 44FPS on my Map. In Game i basically never have under 60 FPS.
So yes, what LandogarX4 posted seams to be right.

EDIT:
This is with 6.0 Beta 4 and 5.

EDIT:
I can only emphasize that Resizable BAR or SAM adds a few more FPS. I now have 44-49 FPS. And my GPU isn't on 99% and more 89% Load.
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