[MOD] More Missiles Mod

[w.evans]

You have a "macos" folder in [assets\wares\]. Looks like a temp folder with the old missile macros? Don't think it does anything, but thought that you might want to know.

Great mod! Thanks! And thanks for the update!

[NovaCameron]

Dang it... Well it doesn't do any since it is mispelled. (Wasn't supposed to.) I'll make sure it is gone in the next update.

[w.evans]

I know that you said that it requires a new game start, but I thought that you might be interested to know that I tried just plugging it in to my existing save anyway, and editing my save to put in your unit_player_ship_macro changes, and altering my missiles onboard to rough approximations from your table.

The missiles appear to be working fine, although I haven't found a hostile to test them on in the brief time I was in the game. Interestingly, firing missiles at random friendly freighters didn't seem to trigger any aggro. (Don't know if this is a vanilla issue. Never thought to try that before.) And the gammabursters and sunstalkers seemed to just fly off. Are they Friend/Foe? The swarm missiles tracked nicely though.

Only problem seems to be that there seems to be a problem updating the arms dealers with the new wares lists. All of them have nothing for sale, and getting lots of these errors in my debuglog:

[General] ======================================
[=ERROR=] Error while importing ware amount list: Invalid ware 'spe_ammo_swarmmissile_h', file name '', line 24336
[General] ======================================
[General] ======================================
[=ERROR=] Import() Error importing script data type 'ware'
[General] ======================================
[General] ======================================
[=ERROR=] Property lookup failed: ware.spe_ammo_dumbfiremissile_h
[General] ======================================
[General] ======================================
[=ERROR=] extensions\ego_dlc_teladi_outpost\md\setup_teladi_outpost.xml(104): Warning while parsing expression: Property lookup failed
* Input: [md.$FieldsOfOpportunity, [ [ [ware.spe_ammo_dumbfiremissile, 20, 40, 90], [ware.spe_ammo_dumbfiremissile_h, 8, 16, 70], [ware.spe_ammo_guidedmissile_l, 18, 36, 90], [ware.spe_ammo_guidedmissile, 16, 32, 80], [ware.spe_ammo_guidedmissile_h, 6, 12, 70], [ware.spe_ammo_swarmmissile, 4, 8, 70], [ware.spe_ammo_swarmmissile_h, 2, 4, 60], [ware.spe_ammo_empmissile, 6, 12, 100] ] ] ]
* Pos: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[General] ======================================

lots and lots of those. I did try moving to different zones, but haven't tried going to different sectors yet. Will try that next.

In any case, am hoping that it'll just settle down given time, so I'll keep it running for a while.

ps. Those gammabursters are huge!

[w.evans]

jumping to a sector where I haven't been in a while, and where no arms dealers were initialized, and they're still not generating their ware lists. (They're not selling anything.) Awesome as those new enneastars are (finally found a pirate cap who was nice enough to stand still while I tested my new ordnance), I'll have to go back to my back-ups and uninstall the mod, unless someone knows if there's anything else I can edit to get it working?

Also, don't know if it's deliberate, but the contents of the files in [assets\wares\macros\] are strange.

wrs_astrobeemissile_macro.xml, for example has:

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<macros>
  <macro name="wrs_silicon_macro" class="object">
    <component ref="wrs_silicon" />
    <properties>
      <identification unique="0" />
    </properties>
  </macro>
</macros>

Hoping that maybe those files are all that's wrong. I really like those heavy swarmers! Felt like a hit from the old macross shows!

[JESS 246]

Hi NovaCameron

I've just given this mod a try and not one missile has hit a fighter and its do to some are to slow and some won't go near the target they just fly off on a long arc around the target others turn back on the skunk and some go to the where the target was when fired as if the target is still there.

I know you are still working some bug out maybe these issues that i'm having will add some insight.

[NovaCameron]

I fixed all the swarm and guided missiles.

0.875 Uploaded.

It seems that guided missiles require strafe and reverse movement. The missiles should preform excellent now. Destroyed a bunch of fighters with guided missiles. and bombarded a cap ship with cruise missiles to test. Actually watched a medium guided snake its way through a station no problem.

Edit: updated the Missile Data Dump with the new changes.

[NovaCameron]

The Fields of Opportunity (aka the Teladi Outpost) has issues with my setup script and will not load it. Thus in the FoO there will be no arms dealers. The rest should be fine as they run from the original Setup script and not the Setup_Teladi_Outpost script

Egosoft changed the script and it is being a complete pain to update it.

I have no idea how to use the <patch> mechanism.

[NovaCameron]

MAJOR UPDATE: Finally fixed the dealer issues. Some were pointing to another list that is nowhere to be found. I repointed them back to the standard list.

Supernova typo fixed.

Removed Teladi Outpost requirement.

Now with all bugs killed we can move back to adding things!

[JESS 246]

Hi Hi NovaCameron

The update works a bit better the missiles are now hitting the fighters buy seams to be week against then and still the fighter can outrun some or stay out of range against the 2km ones.

I fire any lightweight missile at a fighter and it hardly do damage so i have to fire a lot but fire the same missiles at a cap ship and it seams to do more damage and thats odd that i can knock out a row of small turrets with one missile but can kill a fighter.

Can't fire the Supernova missile they wont launch it like the rack is empty.

[NovaCameron]

Fixed and Fixed.

Updated to 0.91

Complete rebalance of missile speeds and times.
Even blast radii, which are balenced better,
Swarms are now really fast and have 2x more blast zone,
Swarms have the proper flytime formula applied,
Swarms have 2/3 the damage of the same level guided,
Stars have doubled their speed,
dumbfires now have proper flytimes and should explode at 2km and 4km as they should,
switched light and medium guided to 6km and 8km flytimes, (will update text next version)
light guided have 50% more blast zone,
added celestialhornets to drops,
reduced low level missile drop amounts,
Increased drop amount spread,
Removed low level missile drops from capital ships,
Supernova fixed
Novas are a bit faster (100ms) and have 50% more blast zone
Cruise missiles have completely rebalanced movement and blast zones

Updated Missile Data


Edit: Due to me updating this quickly I have uploaded it to Steam as well. Link in Main.

Edit2: Due to steam editing the ID and me editing the version paste this over the mod patch line in your save if you have an issue of the mod breaking the save:
<patch extension="ws_374182808" version="091" name="MoreMissilesMod"/>

I found wordpad worked best for some reason.

[JESS 246]

Hi NovaCameron

Getting better my last test of update 9.1 all firing now keep the good work up.

[NovaCameron]

I will update this in the morning if I haven't figured out missile trails by then. I rebalenced the damage values down and prices are... much higher for the lower ones and a bit lower for the higher ones. I will remove the higher HP mod recommendation. It is impossible to edit other extentions so any HP mods only affect the base game messing with the balance of other extentions. I also want to expand this to bring back the X3 laser weaponry at some point and other mods add ships that have some new weapons. So in the intrest of compatability and future expansions I have massively reduced the higher end missiles to bring them in line with vanilla. This had the side effect of tightening the damage range between missiles. Also means my Skunk Poppers warning will dissapear on missiles but remain in general as my missile HP tweaks are being tossed out. (I never logged it in the discription.)

It always bugged me that missiles were cheaper than a space suit. Which makes no sense in a government force monoply. Plutarch, the AF, Cantara should make missiles and guns hard to get. So now drops are even more lucrative/main source. But that also means you can more easily swap lower end ones for high end ones now that the prices are on a gradient by damage. Arms Dealers are more like missile swaps now. Also makes the Syndiate a more belivable force cause now they have a lore source of income for all those ships: Good Ole Gun Running.

[JESS 246]

Hi NovaCameron

If you are doing any modding to the skunk roll this idea around where the skunk has single gun weapons how about doubling them up i'm getting cheesed of that every fighter that attacks has 2-4 guns and you swing around to fire back with 1 pulsemaster etc.

P.S. I still have to fire 2-3 sometimes 4 missile at a fighter before it destroyed that can't be right and yet fire the same single missile at a cap ship can take out row of turrets and thats with full shields. the power of some seams right but still speeds & ranges need to be tweaked as in a close fight i'm doing more damage to myself than the enemy.

[NovaCameron]

Which missiles are you using in a close fight? Which missiles are the ones for which cap ship? I do actually feel subsystems are too weak HP wise. Which types are too slow? Each type has there own image so you should be able to tell them apart. (Some are having difficulty with that I know.)

If using light missiles then yes you will have to use a lot of them. Medium guided missiles can one shot most fighters but do not use them in a close fight as they have large blasts. Missiles are designed to supplement guns in a close fight not replace them. Is the issue in the amount of missiles? I did lowered the drop amount of the light and medium missiles, perhaps by too much since you do use a lot of them? Reload rate? I am actually dropping the fire rate of light dumbfires next version. Should I just increase the fire rate for light guided? (I probably should to get a slightly higher DPS than guns.)

(I actually halved the light amount and the number spread can result in lower numbers now.) I could double them back up. Fixing the supply issue.

[NovaCameron]

0.93

Damage values rebalanced to be in line with vanilla.
Massively increased lower end prices.
Decreased high end prices.
Prices now on a gradient to help with missile swapping.
Prices based on a 500k 6mil Balor.
Damage based on a Balor.
Can fire two light guided missiles now.
Light dumbfire reload rate decreased.
Heave dumbfire reload rate tweaked.
Light Swarm reload rate decreased.
Light Swarm numbers and damage rebalanced for a 27k total.

[w.evans]

But I just downloaded your last update, and didn't even get to play it yet!

Just kidding. Thanks for the update!


edit:

Light dumbfire reload rate decreased.
Heave dumbfire reload rate tweaked.

Just asking this question because it looks like you're working carefully on the balance: why? Only reason I could think to use a dumbfire over a guided missile is because it loads faster, and it's cheaper. And it works, sort of, immersion-wise because they don't have the delicate electronics the guided missiles do, and don't have to be initialized, and can be roughly shoved by the robotics into the launch pods. Did it simply reload too fast?

[NovaCameron]

Ya, you simply get too much DPS. Dumbfires are used for their blast radii which are 3-2 times larger. Though the higher ones shrink to 1.5...

I will tweak them again. As well as tweaking the Medium guided reload rates a tad slower. (they are currently just below the lights...) I might just flat out halve the heavy dumbfire rates and squish the lights. But you can pop a balor in two volleys with nemeses and they are cheaper and easier to get now....

Edit: well easier to buy if you can find them. I am not happy with the drop rates yet.

[w.evans]

Cool. I'll give it a try over the weekend.

ps. man, my sig is distracting. Sorry about that. Should probably think about cutting it.

[Spieler195583]

Hey, I tried this mod (it really sounds fun) but neither with a new gamestart nor a save got it to work.
I sold all missiles as told in the description and then installed the mod, but although the new missiles are dropped and in the new game the traders sold them, I was unable to equip or switch between missiles. I stayed struck with one missile type and no ammo. In the ship's info section I still found the vanilla missiles. Any ideas what is causing this?
In case it helps here's my current mod list:

• cleanSidemenu
  assault urv fix
  AutoLooter
  BetterTurrets
  boarding options
  buttermissions
  CaptainAIOverhaul
  CombatRankBailout
  ego_dlc_teladi_outpost
  engineer 100
  galaxystationrange
  litauen_capital_ship_bridge
  litauen_showbalance
  litauen_stationannouncements
  litauen_yisha_in_hiringfiring
  lrs_update
  marinerebalance
  MoreCrew
  moremissilesmod
  nidaren_ledda_construction
  nidaren_shield_generators
  nidaren_stronger_ship_hulls
  no_collision_damage_fix
  outofmywayglitches
  Pimp_My_Skunk
  safe squad join
  shiprecycle
  Show Skills
  showmeyourfactionplease
  taf
  Taranis redesign - extreme firepower
  TastefulYishaArmourGrey
  terratechs_shippack
  terratechs_thehullpatch
  weldinglaser
  worldwarx
  yorrickautotrade

[NovaCameron]

Sounds like something is conflicting with the skunk weapon layout. Not sure which causes it though cause I use most of those mods.